Conversation with #inferno at Tue Oct  7 21:24:40 2008 on powerman@irc.freenode.net (irc)
(21:24:40) #inferno: The topic for #inferno is: Inferno and Limbo | Website: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/index.html | Documentation: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/docs.html | Wiki: http://canto.hopto.org/wiki/1/index.html | Tutorial: http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/InfernoTutorial | Mailing list archives: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.os.inferno.general
(21:38:18) uriel: powerman1: if you want to start a russian version of http://ninetimes.cat-v.org I would be happy to provide werc hosting
(21:41:32) olegfink: on an absolutely mips-unrelated note, what is the current status of native inferno for pc?
(21:41:40) olegfink: all I want is to run it in qemu
(21:43:53) uriel: I think somebody had the instructions on how to do it somewhere
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(21:44:01) uriel: searching the inferno-list archives should help
(21:44:22) uriel: if you find the page, please post the link here
(21:52:02) olegfink: https://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/inf_nat_inst.html
(21:55:30) uriel: thanks!
(21:56:27) olegfink: heh, but you knew it, you were just trying to teach me to google before asking stupid questions :-)
(21:58:56) powerman1: uriel: I've already think about translating these news and post at habrahabr.ru (russian IT social network)... The main problem is, I never use Plan9, don't know anything about it (except I know there a lot of similarities between Plan9 and Inferno) and it will be hard for me to translate things I don't fully understand and I afraid my translation will not be adequate. Sadly, but I had a long break after last time I work with Inferno, and it probably take some time to be absorbed in this environment. So, let's discuss this again some time later. :)
(21:59:20) uriel: olegfink: no, I really didn't
(22:00:22) olegfink: powerman1: if you want, I may try to help you
(22:00:29) uriel: powerman1: I can create a ninetimes.cat-v.org/ru/ where you can post the stories you feel confortable with
(22:00:54) olegfink: uriel: oh, then the whole tread is http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.inferno.general/3211
(22:01:09) uriel: olegfink: thanks
(22:01:56) powerman1: uriel: ok, let's start it, and see how it's going
(22:02:37) uriel: ok, just wait a bit, I need to implementa  way to let people update blogs remotely with werc ;)
(22:03:04) olegfink: don't you use hg for werc content?
(22:03:08) uriel: powerman1: I have to move cat-v.org to a new host in the next two days, so maybe I'll fix it up for you afterwards, ok?
(22:03:15) uriel: olegfink: nope
(22:03:16) powerman1: uriel: this isn't a problem at all. I can send you translated text and you'll post it. ;-)
(22:03:19) uriel: (although I could)
(22:03:25) olegfink: might be worth considering?
(22:03:29) uriel: actually, used hg for werc content for a while
(22:03:39) uriel: but I want to provide a web interface too
(22:03:44) powerman1: uriel: the more times you do it manually, the faster you implement this feature ;-)
(22:03:53) olegfink: that'll probably solve the remote problem
(22:04:03) uriel: powerman1: grat idea :)
(22:04:15) olegfink: hey, why a web interface?
(22:04:35) uriel: olegfink: because cat-v.org is a website, and werc is a web cms
(22:04:53) uriel: you can stil just edit the files with your favorite text editor if you like
(22:05:51) olegfink: I tend to distinguish between websites and webnotepads
(22:07:07) uriel: olegfink: if you want to write an acme client and a 9p server to export publicly werc sites, that would be cool ;)
(22:07:58) olegfink: that comes back to 9scm
(22:09:47) olegfink: because for now you'd like to manage data with hg, once it gets a 9p interface everything gets solved
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(22:13:53) uriel: not really
(22:14:04) uriel: because what you want is to impose some restrictions on what changes can be made
(22:14:20) uriel: for example, you want to allow anyone to add comments, but you don't want to let anyone to delete articles
(22:16:25) olegfink: isn't that a hg duty? I'm not really familiar with it, but I think it had some sort of access controls
(22:16:38) olegfink: or you can make comments a different hg repo
(22:17:07) olegfink: I can't recall what had one dir per repo strategy - darcs or hg
(23:11:54) uriel: I'm sure there are ways, but I don't want to build a systemt hat depends on hg to work
(23:12:20) uriel: (and as far as I know there are no simple ways, the suckless.org have an hg based wiki, but IMHO it is far from ideal)
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(23:48:00) powerman1: uriel: how you prefer to receive bugreports to ninetimes? I noticed several typo there...
(23:51:37) powerman1: uriel: for ex. at "Roundup of 9P library updates": complicance, 9P200, > (instead of .)
(23:57:45) uriel: powerman1: email is good, irc is good too :)
(23:57:47) uriel: thanks!
(23:58:14) uriel: fixed now, thanks again :)
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(04:56:06) powerman1: uriel: I've translated all news from today back to August (this is about a half of available news). I'm both not sure is it have sense to translate 2+ months old "news" and wanna leave something for other translators (maybe olegfink will translate something too). :) I've little trouble with one of news, hope olegfink helps me with translating it soon. Translation available both in plain text format (using asciidoc markup) and html (generated by asciidoc). Which one you prefer?
(04:57:14) sqweek: message cut off at "asciidoc markup) and html (gen"
(04:57:39) powerman1: oh, thanks.
(04:57:50) powerman1: ... Translation available both in plain text format (using asciidoc markup) and html (generated by asciidoc). Which one you prefer?
(05:00:41) uriel: powerman1: wow, awesome
(05:01:11) uriel: powerman1: werc uses markdown
(05:03:33) uriel: which seems quite similar to asciidoc
(05:04:57) powerman1: uriel: I never used markdown, but I sure it's ease to convert from .txt asciidoc to any markup. asciidoc is very simple and clean, it mostly looks like there no markup at all, just plain text. But I don't have a place to test result of conversion to markdown, so it probably will be ease for you to do this conversion than to me - at least until you add feature to werc and I'll be able to post translation myself. :)
(05:05:36) uriel: I think markdown is a *bit* simpler, but from what I have seen asciidoc seems reasonable too
(05:05:40) uriel: ;)
(05:07:32) powerman1: uriel: some time ago I sent few messages to you in PM (or /msg, don't remember how it's called in irc, I use irc last time too many years ago) - did you received them?
(05:20:29) uriel: powerman1: nope, I suspect shitnode(ie., 'freenode') filters those messages
(05:23:32) powerman1: uriel: ok, I'll resend here
(05:23:41) powerman1: uriel: one more typo: Eigth (at Extended deadline for IWP9 paper submission)
(05:23:48) powerman1: uriel: what does it mean: patch(1) (at New rc shell feature)? maybe there should be a link to patch, instead of (1)?
(05:23:54) powerman1: that's all :)
(05:26:09) uriel: powerman1: ah, thanks! :)
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(06:47:42) uriel: powerman1: I have to sleep now, but I made quite a bit of progress in setting up the new server where cat-v.org will move to in a day or two
(06:48:05) uriel: once I'm done with that it should take me only an extra day or so to implement what is needed so you can post and update stuff 
(06:48:55) uriel: (I had to find a decent host, and with the dollar up it was hard to find something affordable and with the kind of features I wanted)
(06:49:11) uriel: (moving dns is also going to be a pain in the ass)
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