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(11:49:59) mjl-: good day all
(11:50:20) sea-gull: hi!
(11:51:28) mjl-: yo sea-gull
(11:54:46) uriel: hey mjl-!
(11:54:55) uriel: will be seeing you in three days, right?
(11:55:06) mjl-: yes!
(11:55:43) mjl-: 3rd of july i think
(11:55:51) mjl-: how is life in sweden? :)
(11:57:03) uriel: great, it is a bit too damned hot for me, but I'm sure it will be fine for you
(11:57:15) ***uriel hates anything >23C
(11:57:27) soul9: heya
(11:57:32) uriel: also probably means the water in the sea is warm, so we can go swimming 
(11:57:59) mjl-: ah, good point.  should add that to the packing list :)
(11:58:04) mjl-: it has been too hot here oto
(11:58:05) mjl-: too*
(11:58:12) mjl-: dampy
(11:58:22) uriel: well, I hope it will be less bad here than in .nl
(11:58:49) mjl-: "less bad", you optimist :P
(11:59:02) uriel: haha
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(12:55:58) gualteri: morning
(13:03:01) uriel: good morning gualteri 
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(13:40:25) gualteri: from the recent activity in the inferno-ds list seems there's quite some people interested in using it but not many interested in development
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(15:39:37) gualteri: heh, /me eventually decidded to get one of those dsi flashcards
(15:48:37) uriel: gualteri: funny, I was thinking of writting one for inferno...
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(15:50:18) gualteri: uriel, writting what?
(15:53:32) uriel: a flashcard app
(15:53:40) uriel: yay, inferno-os now is on hg!
(15:54:00) soul9: \☺/
(15:54:14) ***soul9 goes to edit his subversion ebuilds :-/
(15:56:16) gualteri: uriel, i think we're not speaking about the same thing, for me a flashcard is this: http://www.r4i-sdhc.com
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(16:30:12) uriel: gualteri: hahaha,,, sorry, I'm even more braindead than usual
(16:30:16) uriel: (blame the weather)
(16:30:57) uriel: gualteri: I was thinking of something like this: http://ichi2.net/anki/
(16:31:38) ***uriel updates http://man.cat-v.org/inferno/ to automatically update from the mercurial repo
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(18:06:53) mjl-: hopefully have that annoying ircfs window-on-user-quit/part bug fixed
(18:09:45) gualteri: mjl-, plug & pray :)
(18:11:51) mjl-: yeah :)
(18:12:05) mjl-: i intend to do a more thorough ircfs review tomorrow
(18:12:13) mjl-: and wm/irc too for that matter. it's too slow now, at startup
(18:16:29) mjl-: i've updated hgfs quite a lot too.  it's _much_ faster now.  and it serves the http pull protocol (for updating)
(18:17:06) ***soul9 chants mjl-'s name frantically ;)
(18:17:54) gualteri: neat, so now the code server by hgfs will be seen by ohloh & co
(18:18:01) gualteri: congrats
(18:18:04) mjl-: jups
(18:18:12) mjl-: they don't seem to update a lot though
(18:18:23) mjl-: now that inferno-os is (almost?) over to hg
(18:18:31) mjl-: perhaps i should make some code to pull in changes
(18:18:36) mjl-: and update the local repo
(18:19:32) gualteri: you can request them to crawl the repo to get the results updated
(18:19:49) gualteri: and by them i mean ohloh
(18:20:01) mjl-: hmm, but i bet they do it automatically as well?
(18:20:05) gualteri: yep
(18:20:10) mjl-: you can always remove & add of course
(18:20:31) gualteri: if you update from inferno-os, keep in mind the changes to fpi.h and floating point
(18:21:02) mjl-: ah hmm, do they break things for inferno-kirkwood that you know of?
(18:21:29) gualteri: yep!
(18:21:35) mjl-: ok :)
(18:22:27) gualteri: i just noticed while playing with inferno-ds, and propagated the changes to ds & kirkwood code
(18:23:43) mjl-: cool
(18:23:49) mjl-: and you have the kirkwood code working again?
(18:23:53) gualteri: yes
(18:24:01) mjl-: nice
(18:24:24) mjl-: time to mow the lawn!
(18:24:30) gualteri: changes are in my local repo though, as soon as i get a moment i'll push them
(18:24:38) mjl-: all 2 m⁲ of it
(18:24:47) mjl-: ok
(18:24:53) mjl-: o/~~
(18:25:05) gualteri: ?
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(19:16:28) uriel: 15:15 < mjl-> i've updated hgfs quite a lot too.  it's _much_ faster now.  and it serves the http pull protocol (for updating)
(19:16:39) uriel: mjl-: wow, very cool!
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(10:56:10) mjl-: i just noticed that moving the mouse uses insane amounts of cpu
(11:05:23) gualteri: on linux i've also seen strange things happen with the mouse,
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(11:32:55) gualteri: btw just noticed many of the things from http://www.caerwyn.com/ipn/2006/10/lab-65-man-pages-in-acme.html, are already in inferno-os
(11:34:28) gualteri: last thing to make into it has been sig(1), only missing: plumb -i & plumbing rules to have man pages opened in acme
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(12:31:24) mjl-: ok, wm/irc startup is a bit faster now.  servers and their windows are opened concurrently now.
(12:31:58) mjl-: time to add an indication that ircfs or the irc server isn't responding
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(15:41:55) uriel: mjl-: nice
(15:42:26) uriel: 07:54 < mjl-> i just noticed that moving the mouse uses insane amounts of cpu
(15:42:40) ***uriel noticed a while ago, it sucks :(
(15:55:08) mjl-: it happens with wm/man too
(15:55:26) mjl-: i remember that caught my attention some time before
(15:55:31) mjl-: have to investigate some time
(15:55:49) mjl-: perhaps it's because of all the mouse movement passing through the limbo application
(15:56:08) mjl-: just added to ircfs & wm/irc to ability to show delays
(15:56:17) mjl-: in connection to ircfs and/or irc server
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(18:22:07) uriel: mjl-: I noticed it even with acme-sac IIRC
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(21:54:02) gualteri_: mjl-, after some tests i've been able to read the mbr from sdcard with the code from rev 25
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(08:12:47) [Plop]: . .. HELLO .. dagle_ .. HELLO .. dagle_ ...
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(08:25:53) [Plop]:  tere tulemast  Merhaba  Buna ziua  Bonjour  geia  Guten Tag  Hola  Ciao  Hoi  Howdy  Good Day
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(09:15:14) [Plop]: ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ Hi There sea-gull ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻
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(09:21:59) [Plop]: ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ Hi There soul9 ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻
(09:22:52) soul9: w t f
(09:22:55) soul9: ???
(09:23:37) soul9: [Plop]: what's your problem?
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(10:17:57) [Plop]:  ????????????????? npe !!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????
(10:18:58) soul9: fuck you
(10:24:24) mjl-: good day
(10:24:29) mjl-: what's this bot about?
(10:24:39) mjl-: too many annoying bots nowadays
(10:26:46) soul9: this is more of a spamtroll :D
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(11:17:48) ***[Plop] +++++++++++++ Hiya powerman-asdf +++++++++++++
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(11:43:36) [Plop]:  HI  HI  HI  HI  gualteri  HI  HI  HI  HI 
(11:47:41) mjl-: ok, time to find a way to ban this bot
(11:50:00) mjl-: i'm wondering if this is some sort of scheme to exploit irc client bugs
(11:50:10) mjl-: and that the machine is part of a botnet
(11:52:52) npe: lol.... 
(11:53:16) npe: who's the op here?
(12:02:15) mjl-: it seems the channel was registered by freenode-staff
(12:02:21) mjl-: according to chanserv
(12:02:24) mjl-: i'll go ask on #freenode
(12:10:38) soul9: thanks mjl- 
(12:10:54) soul9: btw testing the new ircfs ☺ (hence my deconnection this morning)
(12:11:09) soul9: mjl-: how can i query the delays?
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(12:11:43) [Plop]:                Hiya bLujaY              
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(12:12:56) [Plop]:  tere tulemast  Merhaba  Buna ziua  Bonjour  geia  Guten Tag  Hola  Ciao  Hoi  Howdy  Good Day
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(12:13:59) sea-gull: mjl-: why? isnt' it nice that someone greets you in inferno? :)
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(12:14:32) mjl-: not really :)
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(12:16:31) ***soul9 reads the readme
(12:17:36) soul9: Received CTCP 'PING' (to #inferno) from soul9
(12:17:50) soul9: huhh
(12:17:53) soul9: sorry guys!
(12:17:57) soul9: ☺
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(12:18:10) ***[Plop] +++++++++++++ Hiya Freezer_Burn +++++++++++++
(12:19:11) soul9: huhu, i did a cat of /mnt/irc/irc.freenode.net/pong, the read isn't finishing ☺
(12:19:14) soul9: oh, pong 0
(12:19:18) soul9: hmmm, weird
(12:19:38) mjl-: no, it'll read continuously
(12:19:45) soul9: darn
(12:19:47) mjl-: ircfs writes a ping every 60 seconds
(12:20:00) soul9: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..
(12:20:01) mjl-: when the pong comes in, you'll read "pong %d\n", with the delay in seconds
(12:20:10) mjl-: that allows wm/irc to see if there is a server delay
(12:20:25) ***soul9 tries to mount /prog and kill the Cat
(12:20:41) mjl-: and it allows wm/irc to determine if the connection to ircfs is still okay
(12:20:47) mjl-: you don't have /prog mounted by default?
(12:20:56) soul9: i mean remotely
(12:21:17) soul9: since i just have an sh on the server, i can't terminate it without killing ircfs ☺
(12:21:17) mjl-: ah
(12:21:54) soul9: grep Cat /prog/*/status
(12:22:38) soul9: so how does one kill a proc using /prog?
(12:22:53) soul9: echo kill > ctl?
(12:23:11) soul9: yep
(12:23:25) soul9: man, i love inferno/plan9, just so logical and simple, amazing
(12:23:38) soul9: \☺/
(12:23:49) ***soul9 just remotely killed the process
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(12:24:53) [Plop]:  ♪ ♬ ♫♪ ♬ ♫ ♪ ♬ ♫♪ ♬ ♫ [[ Md ]] ♪ ♬ ♫♪ ♬ ♫ ♪ ♬ ♫♪ ♬ ♫
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(12:25:21) mjl-: thanks md
(12:25:34) mjl-: he was fast :)
(12:25:59) Freezer_Burn: awww
(12:26:15) Freezer_Burn: it brought colour to the decor
(12:26:57) soul9: yay!
(12:26:58) mjl-: you can talk in colours of you like!
(12:27:05) mjl-: as long as it's about inferno
(12:27:13) mjl-: (luckily wm/irc filters colours ;))
(12:27:20) soul9: :D
(12:27:21) soul9: yeah
(12:27:32) soul9: mjl-: what about bold? it seems to support bold
(12:27:37) soul9: like this
(12:27:44) mjl-: yeah
(12:27:47) soul9: or is this just a tk thing filtered
(12:28:01) mjl-: i needed that because i played lingo with a bot, on other network
(12:28:13) mjl-: it highlights the chars that are in the word
(12:28:37) mjl-: (lingo is a word game, not sure if it's internationally known)
(12:29:04) mjl-: oh, and it's showing bold as underlined, that was far easier to implement :)
(12:29:05) Freezer_Burn: So inferno is a distributed OS right?
(12:29:17) mjl-: bold is a different font, underline is just something on top of the normal font
(12:29:20) mjl-: Freezer_Burn: jups
(12:30:00) mjl-: Freezer_Burn: it has lots in common with plan 9, which is also a distributed os i suppose
(12:30:57) Freezer_Burn: does that mean that it really comes into it's element in clusters?
(12:31:01) mjl-: major difference is that inferno programs are typically written in limbo, which is higher level than c (in which plan 9 programs are written).  limbo programs compile to dis vm instructions.  inferno has a dis virtual machine interpreter, including jit.
(12:31:24) mjl-: Freezer_Burn: yeah, it can be used for that.  but you still need to design your programs to use it as such.
(12:31:43) mjl-: inferno is not an automatic layer that magically turns normal programs into programs that run well on clusters
(12:32:01) Freezer_Burn: everything I've heard about inferno seems really vague
(12:32:24) mjl-: it's easy to get started
(12:32:35) mjl-: because it runs as application on top of linux,bsd's, windows,plan 9
(12:32:40) mjl-: (and it runs on bare hardware)
(12:32:45) Freezer_Burn: like some even debate whether it's actually an OS or not
(12:32:56) mjl-: you can check out a copy from the google code repo
(12:33:27) mjl-: well.  it runs on pc's, directly on hardware.  so i think that debate is settled.
(12:33:33) mjl-: it also runs on the nintendo ds
(12:33:58) mjl-: and various other embedded systems.  people probably get confused if they see it running only as a program on their linux.
(12:34:03) Freezer_Burn: lol
(12:34:18) Freezer_Burn: yeah I heard about that
(12:34:31) mjl-: it's very convenient for development :)
(12:34:42) Freezer_Burn: but isn't it like some of it runs on the DS and some runs on the network somewhere else
(12:34:53) mjl-: yeah
(12:35:23) Freezer_Burn: what situation would someone turn to Inferno vs a more coventional OS
(12:36:04) mjl-: the basic idea:  every resource is a file (like unix, but more consistent, not "special files" or ioctls).  all file access is done over 9p/styx, the (network) protocol.  therefore all resources can be accessed/exported/imported over the network
(12:36:44) Freezer_Burn: even local access?
(12:37:33) mjl-: vitanuova, the company maintaining inferno, has used it to sell "grid computing" apps.  e.g. using desktop pc's idle resources for something useful.
(12:37:38) soul9: i see
(12:37:49) mjl-: no, local access is more efficient.
(12:37:54) mjl-: well, it can be more efficient.
(12:38:06) mjl-: you can mount locally running 9p/styx servers of course
(12:38:19) mjl-: but the "kernel" can have compiled in (written in c) "drivers"
(12:38:48) mjl-: 9p/styx is a pretty straight-forward protocol implementing messages for the open/read/write/stat/etc system calls.
(12:39:28) mjl-: so the inferno kernel either translates those system calls into 9p/styx messages (for remotely/locally mounted file servers), or into function calls to the built-in kernel drivers
(12:40:04) mjl-: anyway, 9p/styx is not the only interesting part of inferno.
(12:40:19) Freezer_Burn: I can imagine
(12:40:26) mjl-: limbo is a very nice language, which i really enjoy programming in.
(12:40:35) mjl-: and the dis vm with jit is quite fast
(12:40:42) mjl-: and secure (no more buffer overflows!)
(12:41:30) mjl-: in that regard, limbo is like java and dis like jvm.  but limbo is more unix-like.  whereas i consider java to not be very nice to program in (as a "unix guy")
(12:41:38) Freezer_Burn: It seems misunderstood
(12:42:34) Freezer_Burn: could it be used to tie old hardware together into a combined system rather than having a bunch of *nix boxes
(12:43:52) mjl-: yeah, i definately think it's misunderstood.  i don't really know it's like that though.
(12:44:04) mjl-: you can turn it into a combined system
(12:44:12) mjl-: as long as inferno runs on all the hardware
(12:44:19) mjl-: that's a big caveat.  not all hardware is supported.
(12:44:42) mjl-: i must admit that i'm not currently running inferno on 386 (am running it on arm)
(12:44:54) mjl-: no 386 because no video.  something to fix
(12:45:07) mjl-: intel network does work though.
(12:45:42) Freezer_Burn: hmm
(12:46:12) mjl-: and i'm running it on top of linux & openbsd of course
(12:46:20) Freezer_Burn: I've looked it up a few times but never bothered with it
(12:46:20) Freezer_Burn: it's on my list of things to find a reason to use
(12:46:33) Freezer_Burn: minix and qnx are on there too
(12:46:42) mjl-: e.g. i have ircfs running on a colo linux machine (this irc client), and wm/irc (which mounts & uses /mnt/irc/*) running on my local openbsd laptop
(12:47:00) mjl-: heh, yeah, that's a good point.  you need a reason to use it.
(12:47:16) mjl-: i've got spare time which i'm investing in making inferno more use-case ready
(12:47:34) mjl-: e.g. some libs to make it easier to write cgi programs
(12:47:46) Freezer_Burn: If it is running If it's running ontop of another OS wouldn't that make hardware a non-issue?
(12:47:46) mjl-: i've got quite a few running too
(12:47:56) mjl-: yeah
(12:48:05) mjl-: but it's cool to run on bare hardware too ;)
(12:48:17) mjl-: and i'm into learning how to write device drivers.
(12:48:48) mjl-: so one has to set goals for oneself, telling oneself it's useful to have "native" (on bare hardware) inferno
(12:48:50) mjl-: ;)
(12:49:20) Freezer_Burn: heh, that's pretty much what I did with BSD
(12:50:11) Freezer_Burn: I might get to play with minix a bit because minix2 is one of the few OS's that support 8086 computers
(12:50:47) soul9: doesn't inferno support that natively? ☺
(12:50:55) Freezer_Burn: does it?
(12:51:04) soul9: check the page site
(12:51:11) mjl-: Freezer_Burn: you mean the really old ones?
(12:51:19) mjl-: btw, it's minix3 nowadays, isn't it?
(12:51:35) Freezer_Burn: mjl-: minix3 needs at least a 286
(12:51:57) Freezer_Burn: minix2 just barely supports XT's
(12:52:02) soul9: nope, looks like 8086 is not supported, tough luck
(12:52:09) soul9: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/index.html
(12:52:23) Freezer_Burn: lol
(12:52:37) Freezer_Burn: it's a laptop I got as a novelty
(12:52:42) mjl-: hah, now we can say inferno is a modern operating system.  it rid itself of support for old hardware!
(12:52:50) soul9: :D
(12:52:50) mjl-: a 8086 laptop? :)
(12:52:52) mjl-: funky
(12:53:01) soul9: yeah, never heard about anything like that
(12:53:24) Freezer_Burn: mjl-: That's why I picked it up
(12:53:45) soul9: what is it?
(12:53:48) Freezer_Burn: It was free, the guy I bought another laptop off of had it in his closet
(12:54:03) Freezer_Burn: Compaq LTE
(12:54:21) soul9: compaq, hmm, that must be way old ;)
(12:54:23) Freezer_Burn: there's a 286 version, it's not the 286
(12:54:35) Freezer_Burn: I want to call HP and ask them for help with the drivers
(12:54:41) mjl-: :D
(12:54:48) soul9: hahah
(12:54:51) soul9: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/08/02/0215_laptop_history/image/compaq_lte.jpg
(12:55:30) Freezer_Burn: soul9: that's the 286
(12:56:44) Freezer_Burn: The XT version's screen is a little smaller and the screen adjustment is on the body instead of the lid
(12:56:58) Freezer_Burn: and there's basically zero info about it online
(12:57:22) soul9: looks like a pretty nice little machine
(12:57:38) Freezer_Burn: Yeah, it'd make a fun ssh terminal anyway
(12:57:54) Freezer_Burn: Or I could build openoffice on it
(12:58:08) mjl-: haha
(12:58:18) soul9: hahah
(12:58:21) mjl-: i bet that build will out-live you
(12:58:25) soul9: riiight....openoffice 0.01
(12:58:26) Freezer_Burn: lol
(12:58:41) soul9: no, it will exit
(12:58:58) soul9: you need something like 5-10G hdd space and at least 4G RAM to compile it :D
(12:59:56) mjl-: use a network file system, and swap to it!
(13:00:02) Freezer_Burn: I got it with no battery and no power cord though, I got it to boot by making an adaptor, but the CMOS is dead so I need to reload the OS everytime I boot it until I get a new one
(13:00:30) soul9: mjl-: true...
(13:01:02) mjl-: hah, the wikipedia page on the lte is fun.  the note on windows 3.0 :)
(13:01:06) mjl-: 9.55 mhz
(13:01:38) Freezer_Burn: I could go to starbucks and browse facebook in lynx to look trendy
(13:02:15) Freezer_Burn: It actually has a modem in mine, I'm pretty positive it's a 9600 or something
(13:03:06) mjl-: the wikipedia page mentions a 2400 bit/s modem
(13:03:19) mjl-: perhaps yours has that $1000 dollar upgrade to 9600 :P
(13:03:38) Freezer_Burn: I haven't tried to see which it is
(13:03:53) dagle: 2400 bit/s!? Who would ever need something faster?
(13:05:11) Freezer_Burn: I should find a buddy with an 80's corvette and dress up in the 80's stereotype getup with the laptop and the huge cellphone
(13:06:02) soul9: DAMN!
(13:06:12) soul9: mjl-: whoa, wm.irc startup is 100x faster now!
(13:06:26) soul9: wm/irc*
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(13:49:22) mjl-: soul9: all windows are now opened concurrently
(13:49:45) mjl-: i think the current slowdown is mostly due to inefficient handling of windows, with tk
(13:50:05) mjl-: i think new windows are always drawn, and the bar on the left rebuild
(13:50:21) mjl-: so hopefully i can make it a bit faster still
(13:51:03) mjl-: i think i'll be adding functionality to let you know which data hasn't been seen yet.  so you don't see the same highlights when you start wm/irc in the morning.
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(14:32:21) soul9: ah, that does sound good, though the fact that it shows a nice buffer is quite nice, i like it a lot
(14:33:00) soul9: main reason i am using ircfs other than it's cool is that it shows me a nice big buffer when i start it in the morning
(14:34:27) mjl-: yeah, the buffer will stay
(14:34:43) mjl-: but wm/irc will know that it has been seen by a client (user of ircfs) before
(14:34:52) mjl-: so it won't show highlights again
(14:34:58) soul9: ok, yea, i get it, doing something with the timestamps might be an option?
(14:35:02) mjl-: it does that now too, but in a tricky way
(14:35:44) mjl-: i think i'll put a marker in ircfs, one for each channel/user, that remembers what has been read before.
(14:36:00) mjl-: the channel/user currently just is an array of buffers
(14:36:12) mjl-: so it doesn't know about timestamps (timestamps are in the buffers as normal text)
(14:36:20) mjl-: so i think the timestamps won't be used directly
(14:36:46) mjl-: it's a bit tricky, since you can have two wm/irc's.  if you forget to shutdown one of them, you'll never get highlights for old messages
(14:36:52) mjl-: but that's to be expected of course
(14:37:16) soul9: yeah, i would't call that a bug
(14:37:35) soul9: though maybe if you can do it client side it could be more simple, and that would get rid of that specific issue
(14:38:26) mjl-: yeah, but it would involve keeping state on the client side
(14:38:55) mjl-: which i would _really_ like to avoid
(14:43:46) soul9: well yeah :-/
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(15:27:01) ***soul9 got his first ircfs timeout, awesome!!
(15:27:10) soul9: at least now i know when i get disconnected
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(15:34:28) mjl-: hah
(15:34:31) mjl-: so it worked!
(15:34:32) mjl-: ;)
(15:35:01) mjl-: i tested it locally, just plugging out cable.  but there are often cases you (i) forget to test...
(15:36:46) soul9: yeah, but yea, definitely, VERY nice
(15:37:04) soul9: .... no response from ircfs for x seconds
(15:37:13) soul9: ... same line different # of seconds ...
(15:37:24) soul9: reconnected to ircfs after X seconds timeout
(15:37:28) soul9: real nice
(15:46:36) mjl-: soul9: did you see that you can now add a password to the /connect command?  or alternatively directly /msg the nickserv.  quite useful on freenode.
(15:46:44) mjl-: sqweek poked me a long time ago to implement that
(15:47:12) soul9: oh no, i haven't seen it!
(15:47:31) mjl-: option -p on ircfs command line does the same
(15:47:34) soul9: damn, just when i implemented an fn identify{} in my stertup script ;)
(15:47:41) mjl-: so i now start ircfs with -p, and then just /reconnect
(15:47:42) mjl-: heh
(15:47:55) soul9: sweet, i'll use that
(15:49:08) sqweek: fuckin' aye
(15:49:35) mjl-: yo sqweek!
(15:49:46) sqweek: hey mjl-
(15:50:08) sqweek: always nice to see improvements, i'll have to make some time to update :)
(15:51:08) mjl-: don't do it too soon.  i'm still changing things
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(10:25:09) mjl-: morning
(10:25:41) mjl-: just tested hgfs with inferno hg repo.  i see i have some work to do. :)
(10:26:00) mjl-: reading a .tgz causes out of memory
(10:26:09) mjl-: it's all pretty slow
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(10:26:21) mjl-: and hgsrv cannot properly clone a repo
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(12:41:21) mjl-: mprof really rocks
(13:04:09) gualteri: good morning mjl-
(13:04:23) gualteri: just found this: http://www.computingplugs.com/index.php/Solar_powered_Sheeva_Plug
(13:04:32) gualteri: that's what i was looking for
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(13:23:07) mjl-: gualteri: pretty nice
(13:23:10) mjl-: it sounds so simple )
(13:23:11) mjl-: :)
(13:37:23) gualteri: so simple that it looks easily doable, next is get hands-on :)
(14:07:15) maht: could do with a li-ion in there too, that's not too hard either
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(14:22:27) mjl-: gualteri: do you know if the R4 SDHC REVOLUTION is any good?
(14:22:38) mjl-: if it's easy to use with current inferno-ds, i might buy it
(14:22:47) mjl-: the ttds doesn't work so well with flash, right?
(14:23:45) mjl-: for 30 euro's, that includes shipping, a 8gb sdhc card, and a usb card reader
(15:07:08) gualteri: i'd be careful dldi:
(15:07:17) gualteri: *with
(15:08:20) gualteri: 1) the r4tf.c in inferno-ds supports the r4, 2) current flashcard manufacturers are now only giving dldi (arm-gcc binary code) not sources
(15:09:04) gualteri: if you're going to spend the money i'd try contacting with the r4 people to see if they have the sources before buying
(15:12:18) gualteri: related with that: one of the benefits of getting an *i like the or r4i, ak2i is that it runs code on ds, ds-lite & dsi
(15:15:37) mjl-: ah, thanks for the info
(15:15:57) mjl-: it's an only-today offer.  so i bet they have a new shipment of dsi-compatable devices coming in
(15:16:04) mjl-: and they need to get rid of these :)
(15:34:42) gualteri: i'd wait dsi based devices are around 25-30 euros (at the shop)
(15:35:19) mjl-: ok, will do, thanks
(15:35:22) mjl-: have to catch train now
(15:35:23) mjl-: o/~
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(14:28:53) TheAppleMan: hi, what is the pdf/ps viewer in inferno?
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(17:09:45) ni|: TheAppleMan: in plan9 its page
(17:42:54) uriel: TheAppleMan: mjl- is crazy enough to think he can write a pdf parser/viewer
(17:43:01) uriel: (I think he already has the parser...)
(17:43:15) uriel: but writing a pdf/ps implementation is almost ar hard or harder than writting a fucking web browser
(18:15:14) ni|: uriel: page isn't sufficient?
(18:15:54) ni|: happy july 4
(18:18:06) anothy_x: page doesn't run on inferno.
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(18:18:12) anothy_x: happy Good Riddance Day.
(18:19:43) ni|: :P
(18:20:10) ni|: anothy_x: oh :P durr i'm sorry -- just started working with it -- used to p9
(18:23:39) uriel: page uses gs
(18:25:09) ni|: :P
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