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(11:58:13) mjl-: good day all
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(13:04:37) mjl-: some new tools:
(13:04:39) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/zipfs
(13:04:48) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/nopoint
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(04:37:14) vsrinivas: hi, i keep getting an 'cannot call <fn> because <module> is a module interface'
(04:37:24) vsrinivas: what causes that error?
(04:37:35) vsrinivas: (i'm trying to write some limbo
(04:37:36) vsrinivas: )
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(17:10:07) mjl-: does anyone know what the font in the inferno logo is?
(17:10:12) mjl-: the logo in /icons/inferno.bit
(17:10:23) mjl-: that image has a horribly low resolution...
(17:21:54) anothy_x: hrm. i should, but can't remember.
(17:22:10) anothy_x: i don't think it's any "regular" font. it was done by a "real" graphics artist.
(17:23:24) anothy_x: actually, come to think of it, i don't think i *ever* saw it as a font, just a graphic.
(17:23:44) anothy_x: even when creating and proofing merchandise.
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(17:47:25) mjl-: myeah, i was afraid of that...
(17:57:55) anothy_x: i could be wrong. when i was working with it, i was mostly proofing things. it might be worth asking charles.
(17:58:27) mjl-: i probably should yeah
(17:58:53) mjl-: i was just trying to print a few leaflets, for inferno promotion
(17:59:06) mjl-: inferno doesn't lend itself as well to that as plan 9 (with glenda) does
(17:59:49) mjl-: on the font, that 'f' looks very uncommon for normal fonts.  the rest seems recognizable, so perhaps the graphics designer started with text from a normal font and tweaked it bits and pieces.
(18:00:13) mjl-: the vitanuova logo is pretty cool btw.  though not appropriate for inferno promotion
(18:01:28) anothy_x: yeah, i really like the VN logo.
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(18:20:08) uriel: mjl-: I think somebody asked in 9fans or inferno-list, the name of the font should be in the archives
(18:20:37) uriel: ok, anothy_x probably knows better than my bad memory
(18:20:57) mjl-: wasn't that about the font used for plan 9?
(18:21:14) mjl-: i searched the inferno list archives
(18:21:17) mjl-: couldn't find it mentioned.
(18:21:37) mjl-: i did indeed recall some mention of fonts (that's why i looked)
(18:21:40) uriel: hmm... you could be right too, 
(18:22:04) uriel: maybe it was mentioned in the thread in 9fans about the plan9 font?
(18:24:05) mjl-: something like that was my recollection.  i'll have a look
(18:27:53) uriel: well, then even if I'm wrong at least I  was not the only one fooled :)
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(17:53:40) mennis: Is there a trick to connecting to a standalone Plan9 system from inferno?  If I just use exportfs and then try to import it inferno just hangs.  If I pass the import into the background it shows in ps as PREAD but fs never gets imported.
(18:00:32) sqweek: you want mount in inferno, not import
(18:01:33) sqweek: wait hm, i'm thinking of a slightly different case
(18:03:52) sqweek: you read the man page of import where it says you need a plan 9 factotum in the namespace?
(18:04:30) mjl-: inferno has a factotum now too
(18:04:36) mjl-: so that shouldn't be the problem.
(18:04:46) sqweek: wasn't sure about that :)
(18:05:12) mjl-: well, "shouldn't", doesn't mean it isn't :D
(18:05:13) sqweek: well, i knew inferno has factotum, wasn't sure if it is compatible enough
(18:05:23) mjl-: but a standalone plan 9 system has 9fs too right?
(18:05:32) mjl-: with plain auth
(18:05:43) mjl-: where mount -9 does the trick
(18:05:56) sqweek: right
(18:06:01) mjl-: that's how i mount sources from inferno, authenticated as mjl, to write in my contrib dir
(18:06:51) mennis: Is it possible to do it without running factotum on the plan9 dsystem?
(18:12:18) mjl-: without authentication too?
(18:12:23) mjl-: ie a plain 9p connection?
(18:12:31) mjl-: that's possible, i've done it with exportfs i think
(18:12:39) mjl-: with one of the options.  perhaps it was -s
(18:12:49) mjl-: and with aux/listen1 i think
(18:13:27) mennis: OK.  I'll try poking around with ~1 more.  Thanks
(18:14:04) mjl-: if i hadn't packed all my gear yet, i would've tested it
(18:14:18) mennis: :)
(18:14:19) mjl-: oh, be sure to use mount -A on the inferno side :)
(18:14:26) mennis: moving?
(18:15:23) mjl-: sort of.  to a campsite.  har2009.org, bunch of nerds on the fields
(18:15:31) mjl-: i'm going to do some plan 9 & inferno evangelism
(18:16:34) mennis: Awesome.  I'm going to try to hook up with UGA's ACM and LUG to do the same in the next month.
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(02:43:32) uriel: wohow, comp.lang.limbo seems to live!
(02:44:09) uriel: (by that I mean there was a non-spam post in the last year!)
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(07:51:36) vsrinivas: hi, is there an equivalent to native inferno's 'noscreen' for building hosted ports?
(08:12:20) robot12: hmm emu without graphics ?
(08:14:03) vsrinivas: yep
(08:30:36) robot12: vsrinivas, just cut out screen from emu config :) 
(08:33:46) vsrinivas: so i got it to work, but this involved cutting out draw, win-x11a, memdraw, pointer, tk, and patching main.c to not call strtochan...
(08:34:03) vsrinivas: that was vaguely more effort than i wanted, but it worked...
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(08:34:42) vsrinivas: oh, freetype too, i forgot..
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(08:41:18) robot12: vsrinivas, hmmm .... i'm builded emu without graphics unde remote FreeBSD .... but it was painless ...
(08:43:32) vsrinivas: hmm, go figure
(08:44:42) robot12: vsrinivas, I'll try to do it on lunix 
(08:45:00) vsrinivas: i was doing this on DragonFly...
(08:50:39) robot12: vsrinivas, ops ! God ! code.google.com repo has emu-g :) ready to use config for building emu without X :) 
(08:50:48) vsrinivas: oh, haha, thanks
(08:51:55) robot12: and ... emu-wrt :)
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(14:10:55) maht: hi
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(06:22:27) newsham: hi.  I have two inferno dists here. one is a google code snapshot with some bins but not emu.exe.  I cant seem to build emu.exe completely due to it wanting a diff version of visual studio than I have currently isntalled.  I have another dist which is a binary dist for Nt.  I run the installer and have it install in some dir like c:\inferno and it only does a partial install,  emu.exe is never placed there, and the installer mentions a "panic"
(06:22:56) newsham: I also tried to hybrid.. copy emu.exe to my other dist.  when I run the emu shortcut (emu -r c:\inferno -g800x600) I get a shell, but no graphics
(06:23:08) newsham: anyone know how to get inferno up and running in nt?
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(07:09:33) newsham: ahh, I found a more complete .zip installer
(07:13:57) robot12: newsham, ?
(07:14:23) robot12: hi all :) 
(07:14:24) sqweek: lol shit, my auth credentials expired today
(07:15:31) sqweek: had to track down the password i used for keyfs and remember how to work all the auth stuff so i could remount ircfs ;)
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(20:06:56) mennis: I was looking at xml(2) and was wondering how one uses this with a document "on the web".  Is there some urlfs concept I am missing?
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(20:38:07) uriel: I hope not, webfs sucks
(20:38:16) uriel: I think mjl has got libraries for that kind of stuff
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(23:13:27) uriel: oh, look what I have found: http://code.google.com/p/inferno-scheme/
(23:14:55) mennis: that bls is a busy bee.
(23:15:38) uriel: yup
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(00:25:55) sqweek: if you read inferno-list you wouldn't have to stumble upon it :)
(00:26:11) uriel: oh, was it posted?
(00:26:28) sqweek: 1st of may
(00:26:33) ***uriel really should read inferno-list and 9fans, but has become rather burnt out..
(00:31:47) sqweek: fair enough, breaks are good
(00:54:45) uriel: nah, I just suck and I'm lazy :(
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(02:29:03) vsrinivas: um, limbo's 'break' works inside pick...
(02:29:30) vsrinivas: what does it mean for break to work inside a pick?
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(20:12:01) andguent: port inferno to the iphone, put it up in the store and win a free iphone
(20:12:54) anothy_x: apple is unlikely to allow inferno in the app store under their current rules.
(20:13:03) anothy_x: drawterm, however... ;-)
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(21:56:07) anothy_x: okay, someone sanity check me, please:
(21:56:19) anothy_x: limbo didn't get a boolean type in the 4e language additions, did it?
(21:56:41) anothy_x: (i'm importing some code from an old, slightly variant inferno installation)
(21:57:32) vsrinivas: nope...
(21:57:47) anothy_x: good, thanks.
(21:58:15) anothy_x: this code doesn't come with documentation on which parts were local additions.
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(06:38:17) uriel: anothy_x: what inferno variant had boolean types?
(06:39:18) anothy_x: a local branch a guy i used to work with maintained.
(06:39:30) anothy_x: ex-pascal programmer. loved the things.
(06:39:44) anothy_x: i will say i wish limbo had boolean types. but faking it gets you into trouble.
(06:40:44) anothy_x: and his were just fake: typedefs in a .m file.
(06:43:31) vsrinivas: why do you wish it?
(06:44:13) anothy_x: i don't *really* care all that much, but that's mostly because i'm so used to not having them.
(06:44:25) anothy_x: the "true/false" distinction comes up all the time, though.
(06:46:51) anothy_x: tomorrow morning's task is updating some code from 3e- to 4e-style exceptions.
(06:47:13) anothy_x: for now, though: bed.
(06:47:16) anothy_x: g'night, all.
(06:54:11) uriel: good night anothy_x 
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(20:11:59) anothy_x: got a bundle of old code updated and compiled, just to find it has a small stack of other dependencies i'll need to do the same for.
(20:12:11) anothy_x: most of which is undocumented, sadly.
(20:15:30) anothy_x: still, fun times. i'm digging through a bunch of old project code, including a bunch of stuff from my (now-deceased) mentor. it's like biographical archeology. 
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(20:31:35) uriel: interesting
(20:31:50) uriel: btw, did you look into those ancient man pages yet?
(22:28:54) vsrinivas: /win 3
(22:29:11) vsrinivas: /w/win 3
(22:36:56) vsrinivas:  /win 3
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(06:41:49) uriel: vsrinivas for the win!
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(07:46:25) vsrinivas: uriel: ?
(07:46:30) vsrinivas: uriel: ?/win 3
(08:38:43) uriel: was a lame joke
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