Conversation with #inferno at Sun Oct 11 20:03:11 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc) (21:26:15) me__ [n=venkates@c-68-55-179-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net] entered the room. (21:45:06) me__ left the room (quit: "leaving"). (22:32:20) anothy_x: mjl-: trying to install your bt client. going through the dependencies. (22:32:45) anothy_x: (really wishing we had *some* form of package management or registration for inferno) (22:33:05) anothy_x: should i ignore all the "don't use this yet" comments in the documentation? am i looking at the right things? (22:33:13) mjl-: heh (22:33:14) mjl-: yes (22:33:18) mjl-: where do you see that? (22:33:21) mjl-: in the torrent code? (22:33:55) anothy_x: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/util (22:33:57) anothy_x: i need that, right? (22:34:00) mjl-: yeah (22:34:07) mjl-: that warning has become a bit obsolete (22:34:12) mjl-: as i decided to start using it (22:36:00) mjl-: the torrent README will change to say that it is starting to become useful on the next commit (22:43:26) anothy_x: so... is hg really the best we can do for inferno software? (22:43:45) anothy_x: i'm kinda dismayed that i had to install python and hg on my *plan9* box to get stuff up there. (22:45:07) mjl-: myeah, it is certainly not ideal (22:45:11) anothy_x: what's the logic for requiring a mkconfig in each package, rather than referencing the one in $ROOT? (22:45:28) mjl-: inferno cannot even update itself (22:45:44) mjl-: my mkconfig lives in $HOME/inf/ (22:45:46) anothy_x: yeah, that's what i needed to do on plan9. :-( (22:45:50) mjl-: so i cannot include one that always works (22:46:18) mjl-: you can use "toreal(hd l, 10)' (23:09:01) anothy_x: peer.b:2440: 'readn' is not a member of 'sys' of type Sys (23:09:03) anothy_x: peer.b:2443: cannot compare 'nn' to 'can' of type int (23:09:05) anothy_x: peer.b:2444: cannot + 'read' of type int and 'nn' (23:09:07) anothy_x: mk: limbo -I/module -gw peer.b : exit status=723 "Sh":fail:errors (23:10:10) anothy_x: wait a minute, something else is wrong. (23:10:59) mjl-: no readn sounds like it's an old inferno (23:16:59) anothy_x: god inferno's a pain in the ass. (23:17:15) anothy_x: there's so many little things the IBU got wrong a dozen years ago and have never been fixed. (23:17:47) anothy_x: which wouldn't piss me off so much - it's not worse than unix, anyway - if it wasn't mostly things that're *right* in plan 9. (23:18:35) anothy_x: my 'mk install' just failed, because /dis is a union directory without the create permissions. (23:18:56) anothy_x: this isn't a problem on plan9 because mk install never tries to write to /bin, it writes to /$objtype/bin. (23:19:36) anothy_x: we don't have that here. even though we should. where do shell scripts go to get found conveniently? /dis. huh? that's like putting rc scripts in /386/bin. (23:19:59) mjl-: yeah... shell scripts are not that common... (23:20:13) mjl-: which is a bit strange, as the shell seems to be more powerful (23:20:22) anothy_x: partly because they're such a pain to use. (23:21:12) anothy_x: and that's just /dis. there's a bunch of similar issues throughout the namespace layout. (23:21:56) anothy_x: i've been spending a lot of time in plan 9 lately, and very little in inferno. coming back to inferno feels like going back in time, in a bad way. (23:22:04) anothy_x: which is awful, because i *love* limbo. (23:30:28) eno left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). (23:34:06) eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] entered the room. (23:46:28) anothy_x: okay, after getting a more stock environment (and not using old emus), it builds and installs without complaint. (23:50:07) anothy_x: where will it desposit the file(s)? (23:50:31) mjl-: in the directory torrent/peer is started (23:50:51) mjl-: i usually start it from the directory that has the .torrent file (23:51:36) eno left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). (23:54:06) anothy_x: sh: 3980 "Torrentpeer":module not loaded (23:55:37) eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] entered the room. (23:56:34) mjl-: is that http or util? (23:57:21) anothy_x: neither? (23:57:23) anothy_x: mount {torrent/peer $home/Desktop/StargateAtlantisS3 .torrent} /mnt/torrent (23:57:38) anothy_x: (no cracks about crapy TV, please) (23:57:59) mjl-: hehe (23:58:09) mjl-: i've seen quite a lot of stargate, i won't say a thing (23:58:24) mjl-: but prog 3980 is still broken right? (23:58:39) mjl-: it should be able to show which module isn't loaded (23:58:39) anothy_x: correct. debugging... (23:58:52) mjl-: ... is fun! ;) (23:59:23) mjl-: anothy_x: have you seen the new version of the series, universe (i think)? (23:59:50) mjl-: i saw it exists a few days ago. seemed to be more like a drama series from the descriptions (00:00:00) anothy_x: yeah. i'm hopeful, but not optimistic. (00:00:10) anothy_x: they do seem to be getting less and less campy over time, which is good. (00:01:43) anothy_x: this doesn't make sense. (00:07:14) mjl-: that doesn't sound good (00:07:39) anothy_x: it's in the call to rand->init (00:08:03) mjl-: so rand is missing? (00:08:08) mjl-: i don't check for rand==nil after a load (00:08:20) anothy_x: it's there (00:08:30) mjl-: and it isn't nil? (00:10:00) anothy_x: correct... although it is pretty small. (00:10:04) sswam left the room (quit: "leaving"). (00:10:33) mjl-: yeah... it's this here: (00:10:39) mjl-: init(seed: int) (00:10:39) mjl-: { (00:10:39) mjl-: rsalt = big seed; (00:10:39) mjl-: } (00:39:46) anothy_x: oh, bugger all. it's *sys* that isn't getting loaded. wtf happened to my inferno?!? (00:43:01) mjl-: i didn't do it!! (00:45:06) anothy_x: no, certainly not. now that i'm poking around, it looks like lots of things - like acme - have stopped working. (00:45:11) anothy_x: i have no idea what's going on. (00:50:08) mjl-: hope you can restore your inferno... (00:50:19) mjl-: it's bedtime here, later (02:32:46) anothy_x1 [n=a@adsl-99-29-33-95.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] entered the room. (02:38:07) anothy_x left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.). (02:38:13) anothy_x1 is now known as anothy_x (07:41:40) sswam [n=sswam@CPE-124-180-49-84.vic.bigpond.net.au] entered the room. (09:09:00) sswam left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). (09:46:00) mjl-: good day all (11:11:41) j123m left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (11:11:42) j123m1 [n=j1m@unas-revda.interra.ru] entered the room. (11:33:36) mjl-: time to have a look at write support for hg repo's (11:46:57) te left the room (quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)).