Conversation with #inferno at Mon Oct 12 14:01:33 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(16:01:32) anothy_x: mjl-: my inferno's working again, and now so's your bt client.
(16:02:15) mjl-: good to hear
(16:02:18) anothy_x: it prints a *lot* of warning/debug messages over time. are these useful to you for seeing what connections work or not?
(16:02:19) mjl-: is it doing what you're expecting? :)
(16:02:58) mjl-: does it print more than connection errors?
(16:03:13) mjl-: e.g. "<address>: timeout"
(16:03:13) mjl-: or connection refused, and such
(16:03:16) anothy_x: yes, it's behaving nicely. a bit slow, but it's hard to directly compare one cloud to another. something between my laptop and the internet also doesn't like torrent traffic.
(16:03:42) anothy_x: a few examples:
(16:03:43) anothy_x: 37869547    94.6.219.234!53152: dial/handshake: timeout
(16:03:43) anothy_x: 37892143    idle connection, Peer(id 100, addr 220.139.185.37!20642, peerid -BC0114-3d26dnf4a43d22V3end2)
(16:03:43) anothy_x: 37896733    eof, Peer(id 101, addr 89.133.18.229!54319, peerid M6-1-2--n4950cebn22H151e0d3d)
(16:03:43) anothy_x: 38134340    220.139.185.37!20642: dial: Connection refused (connect 220.139.185.37!20642 )
(16:03:59) mjl-: yeah, ok, that's "normal"
(16:04:13) mjl-: actually it is because i forgot to remove the line that debug-prints that
(16:04:22) mjl-: will be fixed with next commit
(16:04:45) mjl-: don't press the debug buttons in wm/torrent btw, it will generate _huge_ amounts of debug cruft
(16:05:04) mjl-: and it makes sense that torrent/peer is a bit slower than most popular bittorrent clients
(16:05:11) mjl-: it isn't optimized for that
(16:05:14) anothy_x: if i shouldn't press it, shouldn't it be large and red? ;-)
(16:05:16) mjl-: e.g. has a fixed number of unchoked peers etc
(16:05:18) mjl-: hehe
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(00:32:47) anothy_x: mjl-: wm/torrent reports rates in k/s. is that kb or kB?
(00:37:37) mjl-: kbyte
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(10:10:02) mjl-: anothy_x: btw, about the bandwidth limiting.  if you set e.g. 50k, that's 50k of tcp payload data, not counting ip/tcp overhead
(10:10:17) mjl-: it would probably be better to take some of that into account
(10:10:45) mjl-: though it would remain a guess, as you won't learn from the kernel how many packets it sends out
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(13:34:42) anothy_x: it's also close enough that it likely doesn't make a difference. limiting on payload is probably fine.
(13:48:35) mjl-: yeah, i guess so
(13:49:02) mjl-: i usually adjust the value until the connection becomes otherwise usable
(13:49:15) mjl-: i don't need a specific limit
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(19:12:11) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/who/mjl/tmp/hgclone.png
(19:12:24) mjl-: still quite crufty, but getting closer
(19:12:39) mjl-: (cloning a mercurial repo that is)
(19:13:32) mjl-: cloning is easier than pulling updates.  with pull, you need to do more accounting
(19:16:00) mjl-: let's see where a clone of inferno-os breaks :)
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(19:47:09) mjl-: ah, it worked
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(00:09:25) uriel: mjl-: wow, congrats!
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(12:18:28) Lareth: Hello. I tried to build on windows from the sources downloaded from the inferno website, but it does not work.
(12:18:35) Lareth: Are there any external dependencies?
(12:19:06) soul9: what does not work?
(12:19:29) soul9: Lareth?
(12:19:32) Lareth: soul9
(12:19:38) Lareth: it fails compilation
(12:19:45) Lareth: where can I paste the message?
(12:19:50) Lareth: that I get?
(12:19:54) soul9: e.g. friendpaste.com
(12:20:48) robot12: google code ?
(12:21:20) robot12: Lareth, update sources with google code svn
(12:21:38) mjl-: svn -> hg
(12:21:39) soul9: s/svn/mercurial
(12:21:45) soul9: ☻
(12:21:51) mjl-: ☻
(12:21:55) mjl-: fun
(12:22:02) soul9: x263b :D
(12:22:04) mjl-: Lareth: doesn't hurt to mention which compilers you're using
(12:22:05) Lareth: http://friendpaste.com/4y4ShfgKEd19OoUx1gsNiy
(12:22:15) mjl-: soul9: alt b:)
(12:22:26) soul9: nope
(12:22:30) soul9: not on inferno at least
(12:22:33) soul9: not on mine
(12:22:41) Lareth: robot12 I will try.. although I downloaded the snapshot (the second option which includes the non free fonts etC)
(12:22:47) mjl-: cl: file not found
(12:22:59) Lareth: which does not exist
(12:23:00) mjl-: Lareth: do you have the ms compilers installed?
(12:23:05) Lareth: nope.
(12:23:10) mjl-: Lareth: you need those
(12:23:14) mjl-: there are free
(12:23:18) Lareth: do I need Mingw
(12:23:20) mjl-: (just a bit big)
(12:23:26) Lareth: or the microsoft ones
(12:23:26) robot12: Lareth, do you have VC ?
(12:23:38) mjl-: Lareth: i've only tried (and succeeded) with microsoft's compilers
(12:23:40) Lareth: I think I have somewhere the express edition
(12:23:42) robot12: free VS 
(12:24:04) robot12: Lareth, express is Ok :) 
(12:24:34) Lareth: if I load the VS command shell and append the nt/386/bin dir will it be ok?
(12:25:10) robot12: yep
(12:26:19) Lareth: I did that and now I get that it cannot find Windows.h 
(12:26:19) Lareth: grrrrr
(12:26:21) Lareth: :(
(12:26:58) Lareth: I installed it on my mac yesterday and it was straightforward. I hate windows
(12:27:08) robot12: there was a how-to ... 
(12:27:12) Lareth: where would windows.h be?
(12:28:35) robot12: Lareth, https://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/msvc8.html - use this ! :) 
(12:29:09) mjl-: that doc is old
(12:29:20) mjl-: you don't have to set all the paths afaik, and you don't need the changes from the bottom
(12:29:24) robot12: but it helps me :) 
(12:29:44) mjl-: missnig windows.h seems like vc is not installed completely/correctly, or the command shell doesn't set the paths correctly
(12:29:52) Lareth: great!
(12:29:58) mjl-: Lareth: do you have the latest compilers?
(12:30:00) mjl-: http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/#webInstall
(12:30:14) Lareth: I am using Visual Studio 2009
(12:30:17) mjl-: from https://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/index.html
(12:30:19) Lareth: sorry 2008
(12:30:21) mjl-: oh, that's even newer
(12:30:22) mjl-: oh :)
(12:30:24) mjl-: 2008 is good
(12:30:33) mjl-: from blstuarts page:
(12:30:35) mjl-: #  Update: I've now had a chance to try out VC++ 2008 Express Edition. On the upside, the snapshot tarball of Inferno on the VitaNuova web site works just fine out of the box with this compiler. On the downside, the compiler is really big and doesn't give you an option where to put the largest part of it. Furthermore, the installer won't even start on Windows 2000. 
(12:31:27) Lareth: I wish there was a binary version for windows somewhere..
(12:31:38) Lareth: building things on this hell os drives me crazy
(12:31:56) mjl-: same here
(12:32:17) mjl-: if i had a known sane windows install i would do it
(12:32:25) mjl-: compile & publish binaries
(12:34:00) soul9: there are win binaries
(12:34:08) soul9: as for the dis, you don't need to recompile afaic
(12:34:11) soul9: afaik*
(12:34:19) soul9: there is no inferno binary for windows?
(12:34:23) robot12: http://code.google.com/p/inferno-bin/downloads/list
(12:34:25) soul9: on the google code page?
(12:34:30) soul9: there⋯
(12:34:48) robot12: emu binaries 
(12:34:57) soul9: yeah
(12:35:01) soul9: that's all you need
(12:35:12) soul9: the dis-s are included in he distro no?
(12:35:21) soul9: no need to recompile those
(12:35:22) Lareth: so you just copy the binaries to the emu dir and it should be working?
(12:35:27) Lareth: let me check
(12:35:33) ***soul9 not sure
(12:35:41) soul9: maybe you need a few other binaries
(12:35:43) soul9: like limbo
(12:36:56) Lareth: are these exe files?
(12:37:05) soul9: the nt binaries are, yes
(12:37:09) Lareth: because there is no extension to the Nt binary
(12:38:04) Lareth: ok
(12:38:06) robot12: i have some ...
(12:38:07) soul9: heh
(12:38:08) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users 167936 2009-07-01 02:49 awk.exe
(12:38:08) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users 225280 2009-07-01 02:49 c2l.exe
(12:38:08) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  61440 2009-07-01 02:49 cp.exe
(12:38:08) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  53248 2009-07-01 02:49 data2c.exe
(12:38:09) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  49152 2009-07-01 02:49 echo.exe
(12:38:11) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  65536 2009-07-01 02:49 format.exe
(12:38:13) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  90112 2009-07-01 02:49 gzip.exe
(12:38:15) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  88064 2009-07-01 02:49 infdb.exe
(12:38:19) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  86016 2009-07-01 02:49 iyacc.exe
(12:38:21) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users 114688 2009-07-01 02:49 mk.exe
(12:38:21) Lareth: robot12 yes these are in the snapshot
(12:38:23) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  49152 2009-07-01 02:49 mkdir.exe
(12:38:25) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  69632 2009-07-01 02:49 mkext.exe
(12:38:27) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  61440 2009-07-01 02:49 mv.exe
(12:38:29) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users 118784 2009-07-01 02:49 rcsh.exe
(12:38:35) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  57344 2009-07-01 02:49 rm.exe
(12:38:37) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  77824 2009-07-01 02:49 sed.exe
(12:38:39) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  61440 2009-07-01 02:49 test.exe
(12:38:41) robot12: -rwxr-xr-x 1 robot12 users  53248 2009-07-01 02:49 tr.exe
(12:38:44) robot12: full buld may be at home :) 
(12:39:24) rapidfx: http://rapidshare.com/files/239948496/Inferno_Nt_420.zip  full inferno rev.420 size:42Mb
(12:39:43) Lareth: great
(12:39:57) soul9: i wouldn't trust this guy ;) maybe he put malicious code in there p
(12:40:02) soul9: s/p$/:p
(12:40:49) Lareth: worth a try
(12:43:06) robot12: Download from - http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/net_download4T.html - an OLD VN page :) 
(12:43:39) robot12: may be it outdated ... but ... files still in the place :) 
(12:44:14) robot12: rapidfx, :) 
(13:10:46) Lareth: Thanks rapidfx... 
(13:10:51) Lareth: I have a working inferno :)
(13:11:20) Lareth: by the way, how can I change fonts in acme?
(13:11:33) Lareth: I am obviously a newbie I know.. 
(13:20:14) robot12: man acme ?
(13:20:44) Lareth: hmm
(13:20:45) Lareth: ok
(13:20:46) Lareth: :)
(13:20:53) robot12: acme -f ?
(13:29:07) uriel: robot12: *neveR* download anything from VN, get your stuff from google code
(13:31:04) mjl-: vn's .tgz is just fine
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