Conversation with #inferno at Thu Nov 12 10:22:58 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(11:17:23) mjl-: morning
(11:17:39) mjl-: npe: seems they (googlecode) think they fixed it
(11:17:45) mjl-: by making an empty hg repo
(11:17:52) mjl-: there is nothing in there as far as i can see
(11:17:55) npe: mjl-: lol.. empty one?
(11:18:13) mjl-: $ hg clone https://inferno-npe.googlecode.com/hg/ inferno-npe
(11:18:13) mjl-: no changes found
(11:18:13) mjl-: updating working directory
(11:18:13) mjl-: 0 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved
(11:18:32) npe: ruh roh. 
(11:20:01) mjl-: the wiki is there though
(11:20:12) mjl-: they had the issue mistaken for a common problem with wiki conversions
(11:20:13) npe: "What happened to the source code in the repository? If I go back to svn will I get it 
(11:20:14) npe: back? If I go back to svn, recommit the code then switch to hg how can I be sure that 
(11:20:14) npe: this problem doesn't happen again?"
(11:21:21) mjl-: myeah, doing a local conversion to hg, then push all those changes to the empty googlecode repo makes more sense in that case.  though you have to do all that work yourself...
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(11:29:53) mjl-: npe: ah, you posted that as an issue.  good!
(11:34:09) npe: mjl-: haha... they make me miserable I make them miserable. 
(11:34:14) mjl-: :D
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(13:17:25) mjl-: dead socket? :)
(13:17:45) mjl-: a few more hours for googlecode people to wake up
(13:17:52) mjl-: unless they live in india or something of course
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(14:08:03) F1sh: my connection at home seems to be crap
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(14:36:54) ***robot12 have ADSL with 4/1 Mbit/s
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(14:47:58) F1sh: I called my girlfriend to stop my computer :)
(14:48:34) eekee: ty XD
(14:49:33) F1sh: np :)
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(16:06:21) mjl-: npe: the google folks have an answer, but it's not really the solution
(16:06:36) mjl-: unless they never do the svn->hg conversion themselves
(16:06:44) npe: mjl-: they do for the small ones. 
(16:06:50) npe: I think I just broke them. 
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(16:31:31) lyker: I have a linux running in qemu hosted by windows, can I access application running on remote Linux machine from the linux inside the qemu?
(16:32:02) lyker: should I install inferno on the both linux?
(16:33:49) mjl-: yes, that would make sense if you want to mount/export 9p files between them
(16:34:08) mjl-: note that most linux'es nowadays have support for mounting 9p file systems.
(16:34:44) mjl-: lyker: i've got inferno on a linux machine in a datacenter and inferno on my desktop (openbsd), with the desktop mounting files from the server
(16:37:20) lyker: mjl-, thanks, I'll learn more how to do that.
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(16:39:39) mjl-: lyker: a simple example, for when you have the two inferno's running:
(16:39:54) mjl-: on the server:  ndb/cs; styxlisten -A net!*!1234 export /
(16:39:54) mjl-: on the client:  ndb/cs; mount -A net!yourserver!1234 /mnt
(16:40:21) mjl-: styx == 9p (just different name)
(16:40:36) mennis: styx == 9p 2000
(16:40:54) mennis: right?
(16:40:55) mjl-: styxlisten serves on address net!*!1234 (any ip, port 1234), and runs "export /" for the connection.  export talks the 9p/styx protocol
(16:40:57) mjl-: yeah
(16:41:08) mjl-: mennis: i'm post-9p-old, so i never say 9p2000...
(16:41:23) lyker: then the client can run the application installed only on the server?
(16:41:38) mennis: Oh, probably a distinct that bears ignoring anyway.  
(16:42:04) mjl-: lyker: hmm, "run the application installed only on the server"?
(16:42:11) mjl-: i don't know what you mean by that
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(16:43:27) lyker: you said you may see the files of datacenter linux
(16:43:32) mjl-: yes
(16:43:52) lyker: can you run the program insalled on that linux from your freebsd?
(16:44:03) lyker: through inferno
(16:44:19) mjl-: yes, that's possible
(16:44:38) mjl-: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/man/3/cmd.html
(16:45:15) mjl-: if i make the linux export the cmd(3) file system, i mount that on bsd, and use its files to start programs on linux
(16:47:09) mjl-: i just did it
(16:47:20) mjl-: ndb/cs; styxlisten -A net!*!4321 export '#C/cmd'
(16:47:20) mjl-: ndb/cs; mount -A net!knaagkever.ueber.net!4321 /cmd
(16:47:40) mjl-: first command on the linux machine, second on my local machine
(16:47:59) mjl-: and then this (executed on inferno on my openbsd desktop):
(16:48:02) mjl-: ; os uname -a
(16:48:02) mjl-: Linux knaagkever 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 04:27:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
(16:48:19) mjl-: it's magic! ;)
(16:48:53) lyker: Can the program on linux read the files on freebsd and make some updates to the files then write them back to freebsd?
(16:51:30) mjl-: not the linux command, uname in this case.  since that's a linux program and inferno's file system is only available to inferno programs.
(16:52:01) mjl-: but you can import the freebsd files on the linux inferno, and use inferno programs to modify the files
(16:52:48) mjl-: or you can use "os" to run a linux (or freebsd) command, and redirect its output from within inferno to a file (that's either on the linux or freebsd side)
(16:54:17) mjl-: you can do pretty much anything with export/importing files, and connecting input to & output from linux/freebsd (host OS) commands to inferno files.  but linux/freebsd programs cannot directly access inferno's files.
(16:54:58) eekee: how about with 9pfuse or such?
(16:54:59) mjl-: (unless of course you mount them with linux's in-kernel 9p support, but i'm not an active user of that)
(16:55:17) mjl-: ah, 9pfuse, i've not used that either.  i bet it works!
(16:55:34) mjl-: i also know netbsd have some userspace fs layer that has 9p support
(16:56:30) mjl-: lyker: i hope i'm not making it too complicated already (i am afraid i am)
(16:56:35) mjl-: coffee!
(16:57:00) lyker: mjl-, I'm trying to understand these comments
(16:57:21) eekee: lyker: you know what styx is?
(16:57:30) lyker: sounds at least two options
(16:58:44) lyker: eekee, I think styx is something same with 9p
(16:58:51) eekee: lyker: yep you'd be right
(16:58:59) lyker: but it is called styx in inferno
(16:59:19) lyker: but I'm new to 9p
(17:00:00) mjl-: 9p/styx is pretty much a direct translation of fd's & open,read,write,close calls to messages you can send over the network
(17:00:57) mjl-: lyker: inferno comes with good documentation, /doc/ for papers, e.g. /doc/styx.pdf
(17:01:20) mjl-: and /man/* for manual pages (you can read them with "man" or "wm/man" (commands)
(17:01:33) mjl-: the styx protocol is documentated in section 5 of the manual pages
(17:03:41) lyker: is this site the official web for inferno? http://www.vitanuova.com/index.html
(17:03:59) mjl-: yes
(17:04:13) mjl-: that's the company that has the copyright
(17:04:17) mjl-: but it's all open source
(17:04:43) mjl-: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/downloads.html ← that's where you download the code
(17:05:07) mjl-: which is really just a snapshot of the mercurial repo from http://code.google.com/p/inferno-os/
(17:05:51) mjl-: this last url is where the code is kept up to date, by vitanuova
(17:07:45) ***eekee suddenly wonders why he forgot about inferno on his ibook, where it makes more sense than p9p
(17:08:11) lyker: ok, I think I should keep all the comments above, thank you very much mjl-
(17:11:12) mjl-: np, have fun, and ask questions if you have more :)
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