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(00:34:36) mennis: building an index of stupidly named pdfs from my mac to the fileserver:
(00:34:57) mennis:  mdls -name kMDItemFSName -name kMDItemTitle * | sed -e 's/kMDItemFSName = //g' -e 's/kMDItemTitle  = /     /g'
(00:35:23) mennis: gives me a list like: 
(00:35:24) mennis: "802.3-2008_section1.pdf"
(00:35:25) mennis:      "IEEE Std 802.3-2008, Section One"
(00:35:33) mennis: yea!
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(07:05:49) robot12: morning ]
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(12:10:09) mjl-: morning
(12:11:07) mjl-: yesterday i found my emu spinning on cpu
(12:11:14) mjl-: it seemed it was running the gc all the time
(12:11:25) mjl-: i've got a small program that reproduces the problem
(12:11:29) mjl-: time to continue investigating
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(13:01:52) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/who/mjl/tmp/testspin.b
(13:02:06) mjl-: when i run that, emu will eat cpu.  until the waiting is done
(13:02:27) mjl-: if anyone wants to verify, that would be helpful
(13:04:24) mjl-: oh, it only eats cpu when in wm/wm
(13:04:41) mjl-: not in a plain emu.  probably because of other procs that need to be present
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(13:34:09) rapidfx: in my emu testspin.b causes +20% cpu load (os:linux)
(13:35:50) mjl-: good to know, thanks
(13:36:01) mjl-: quite a lot for a program that is just sleeping :)
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(13:37:37) rapidfx: i have same strange effect with sys->sleep().. its eat cpu time
(13:38:08) mjl-: yeah, i think it's the garbage collector keeping itself busy
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(15:32:54) Keiya_: Anyone gotten Inferno happy on Win7 yet?
(15:33:19) mjl-: i've run it
(15:33:23) mjl-: and compiled it on it
(15:33:38) mjl-: well, a windows 7 release candidate.  one of those distributed by ms for free
(15:33:49) mjl-: i suspect the .zip from vitanuova works
(15:54:08) Keiya_: Mkay, cool
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(09:32:09) ***Keiya hmms...
(09:32:23) Keiya: Has anyone tried 9p over USB?
(09:45:12) uriel: over usb what? usb has like a billion different transport modes
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(09:59:02) Keiya: uriel: True... which probably means one of them would be usable, eh? :P
(10:01:41) uriel: sure, ip for example ;P
(10:01:52) uriel: (really, any that has reliable in-order transport should do)
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(13:00:50) mjl-: i've done usb over 9p!
(13:01:02) mjl-: but that's just trivial with plan 9
(13:03:32) C-Keen: wow
(13:03:58) C-Keen: read from the usb file and put it in some other file on /n/?
(13:04:49) mjl-: oh, my statement is misleading :)
(13:05:21) mjl-: i was just exporting plan 9's #u to inferno on another machine
(13:07:42) C-Keen: ah!
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(13:47:35) uriel: mjl-: your statement was not misleading, it was 100% correct, you said usb over 9p, not 9p over usb ;P
(14:08:33) Keiya: Eh, the issue with that is that basically all interesting devices have only Windows drivers.
(14:08:54) Keiya: (and that, half the time, only Windows x86 drivers. >_>)
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(14:40:24) Keiya: Okay, this is really not going to work...
(14:40:36) Keiya: I can middle click, but I can't middle click-and-drag
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(14:44:58) Keiya-Acme: Hrm, is there anything that can be done with middle-sweep that can't be done my selecting with the left button and middle clicking?
(14:47:01) Keiya-Acme: (I can't middle-sweep because my 'MMB' is actually a specific zone on my touchpad.)
(14:52:24) C-Keen: Keiya-Acme: that's the same
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(15:02:38) maht: 9p goes over anything, it's really not amazing
(15:03:15) maht: What's amazing is that it's not used in morep laces
(15:03:24) maht: s/p l/ pl/
(15:07:00) Keiya: Meh... acme doesn't have a few features I really like anyway... (like highlighting strings, so I notice when I forget a ". :P)
(15:07:33) Keiya: And yes, it does have the 'jump' command, but that doesn't help prevent you ffrom having to hunt for the one missing character.
(15:09:38) Keiya: It's too bad, because it's mostly quite nice. :/
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(15:21:41) C-Keen: Keiya: the acme way would be either to run a checker program against your buffer emitting adresses of offending lines that you can easily jump to, or a script watching your buffer and doing stuff for you
(15:21:46) C-Keen: while you type
(15:22:15) Keiya: C-Keen: The issue is that line numbers don't help.
(15:22:28) Keiya: They show you where the compiler found the error, not where it actually is.
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(15:22:58) Keiya_: Re.
(15:23:02) Keiya_: They show you where the compiler found the error, not where it actually is.
(15:23:18) Keiya_: Where as, if you can visually see when things don't change and you expect them to...
(15:24:01) Keiya_: Also, the Acme rendering stuff doesn't support displaying different fonts/colors/bghighlights/whatever in one document, I don't think, so it'd take a lot of rewriting to make it work.
(15:24:31) C-Keen: yes, those weren't considered as worthwile features
(15:25:26) C-Keen: but nothing prevents you from letting a program check while you type, even autocorrection is possible
(15:26:06) Keiya_: I disagree with that assessment. (Also, what? The original paper has things like "At the moment, though, Oberon does have one distinct advantage: it incorporates graphical programs well into its model, an issue Acme has not yet faced.", which implies that at some point there was an intent to add /graphics/, not just bolding >_>
(15:26:28) Keiya_: C-Keen: The issue is that a program can't tell where, exactly, the error is.
(15:26:44) C-Keen: Keiya_: it can put point there
(15:26:48) Keiya_: If it could, it would know what you meant and it wouldn't be an error.
(15:26:56) Keiya_: C-Keen: ...
(15:27:08) Keiya_: No, I didn't say can't tell /you/, I said can't tell.
(15:27:21) Keiya_: "Is that string meant to continue, or did he mean to end it?"
(15:27:24) C-Keen: also there are some patches to make acme windows with graphics possible
(15:27:41) Keiya_: By showing that you didn't end it, you can support /both/ scenarios.
(15:27:48) C-Keen: so it is not impossible but just not finished
(15:28:05) Keiya_: So, Acme not allowing external programs to highlight such is very much a flaw. >_>
(15:28:41) Keiya_: C-Keen: Yeah. But it /is/ finished in other editors. I was saying earlier "acme doesn't support everything I need, *shrug*" not "acme sucks!" :P
(15:28:50) C-Keen: yeah I guess it depends on what you think the goal of acme should be
(15:29:05) Keiya_: What works for you depends on what features and options you prioritize :J
(15:30:05) ***Keiya_ shrugs...
(15:31:05) C-Keen: my point was that it could get the stuff done in helping you find errors other than just highlighting (which of course is a very common and visually easy way to do)
(15:31:07) Keiya_: Honestly, if I was going to try to fix it, I'd probably try to use Charon's renderer. It sucks for showing what's on the web these days, but it seems to be decent for simple rich text.
(15:31:36) Keiya_: C-Keen: It could, but none that works as elegantly, by far.
(15:31:44) C-Keen: agreed
(15:32:38) C-Keen: you could create characters with a custom background on the fly, implementing hilighting that way and adding it to the command set
(15:32:52) C-Keen: it is "just ORing bitmaps"
(15:34:06) Keiya_: Heh... >_>
(15:34:29) Keiya_: Unfortunately, I only barely have any sense of what's going on with Limbo, it's quite foreign to me.
(15:36:52) C-Keen: http://code.google.com/p/inferno-lab/wiki/Index is a nce source of inspiration what you can do with acme
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(15:50:42) ***Keiya nods.
(15:50:59) Keiya: It's got /almost/ everything I want, which makes the one thing rather more annoying, even :P
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(16:21:40) maht: Keiya : if your compiler / interpreter can't tell you where your bad string is you ened better tools
(16:22:20) Keiya: maht: ... Well, it doesn't notice until it actually hits something it doesn't expect.
(16:22:25) maht: double clicking inside "|{|[|'|(|)|}|]  is enough for me
(16:23:18) maht: I've been programming without colour syntax for 30+ years, perhaps you need more experience :>
(16:24:48) Keiya: No amount of experience helps a shitty keyboard
(16:25:06) maht: I think you'll find that's also wrong :>
(16:25:31) Keiya: Also, just because you don't find a feature useful doesn't mean no one else can.
(16:25:49) maht: your are a true sensei
(16:25:59) maht: s/r /r
(16:26:05) maht: s/r /'re/
(16:26:16) maht: s/r /'re /  
(16:26:24) maht: and I've no excuse for that bad typing
(16:26:52) Keiya: yourare a true sensei?
(16:27:23) Keiya: Even if you apply only the last, you're are is redundant.
(16:27:25) maht: oh yeah,  give up
(16:27:41) maht: ghehe worse s/give/I give/
(16:27:56) Keiya: Heh
(16:31:40) Keiya: Anyway, I /can/ work without it, but... to me, having no support for that seems to just be imitating the limitations of ancient systems.
(16:34:46) mjl-: it's like in rocky, where the guys runs up & down mountains with a bag of rocks on his back
(16:34:54) mjl-: it will give you some real skills
(16:35:05) mjl-: guys->guy
(16:35:33) Keiya: mjl-: Bullshit
(16:35:41) Keiya: If that's your reasoning, just use ed
(16:35:52) mjl-: obviously i'm dead serious
(16:36:34) Keiya: Oh, you were joking? Sorry >_>
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(17:03:50) ***Keiya hmms...
(17:04:24) Keiya: I can always load something up in vim and scan it if I have issues. The nice thing about coloring is it /does/ jump out at you. :P
(17:08:27) C-Keen: maht: I am so low on coffee I cannot figure out what double clicking on the above string would do. Do you mind to elaborate a bit please?
(17:08:41) C-Keen: maht: does it parent matching?
(17:09:10) C-Keen: maht: oh! *duh*]
(17:09:10) C-Keen: acme does that 
(17:38:17) Keiya: Hrm. Limbo copies the WORST part of Pascal and C...
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(17:38:51) Keiya: (Mostly Pascal, C's declarations were a hack)
(17:41:59) mjl-: which part is that?
(17:42:19) Keiya: Declarations
(17:42:38) Keiya: Aka "let's type all the function signature twice, YAY!" >_>
(17:43:23) mjl-: you only type them twice if you export them
(17:43:32) mjl-: or when it's a non-exported adt function
(17:43:47) mjl-: oh, or when it is an exported adt function
(17:44:20) mjl-: having to type exported functions twice hasn't been a problem so far
(17:44:43) mjl-: and i would say limbo copies at least the nice declaration style from probably pascal
(17:44:55) mjl-: so perhaps it copied the worst & best parts!
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(21:54:55) uriel: fucking sissies
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(22:07:40) mjl-: what's wrong uriel?
(22:16:00) uriel: people that need syntax highlighting
(22:17:35) uriel: sorry, should have said that in #cat-v, trolling here is boring
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(22:35:09) mennis: I like syntax highlighting.  I don't however demand it.
(22:42:26) C-Keen: hi uriel 
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(22:59:20) uriel: hey C-Keen 
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(05:23:59) uriel: what is the status of the DSi port, and what cards are recommended to run homebrew on a dsi?
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