Conversation with #inferno at Wed Nov 23 15:18:45 2011 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(11:01:01) rlp10: I've downloaded inferno.zip from the vita nuova website and unzipped it to C:\inferno.  How do I run it?
(11:03:44) C-Keen: run dis
(11:05:14) C-Keen: rlp10: there is also a readme file in ther containing additional hints
(11:05:32) rlp10: ah sussed it, I ran C:\inferno\386\bin\emu.exe
(11:05:42) rlp10: C-Keen: Thanks, for the pointer
(11:07:07) C-Keen: ah yes, dis' name is emu
(11:24:01) rlp10: Hmm, tab completion?
(11:26:10) rog [~rog@host-92-23-142-121.as13285.net] entered the room.
(11:31:32) fgudin: oups, j'étais loin du chan; bonjour!
(11:31:45) fgudin: sorry, wrong channel
(11:34:21) rlp10: fgudin: Ca va, on peut se parler en francias ici, quand meme! :)
(11:35:15) fgudin: je ne voulais pas polluer, mais j'ai un peu vite fait "Up" Enter :)
(11:38:36) rlp10: Ahh I see
(11:38:43) rlp10: I've been googling but can't locate the rc version of tab completion?  Could someone help please?
(11:39:48) fgudin: ^F maybe ?
(11:41:34) rlp10: Ah sorry, I guess the default shell in inferno isn't rc, it's sh.  So ^F doesn't work in that.
(11:41:52) fgudin: yes, just checked and you're right
(11:42:08) rlp10: So does sh have something like tab completion?  Or should I be using rc in inferno?
(11:42:20) rlp10: As you might have guessed... I'm new to inferno :)
(11:42:43) fgudin: mechiel has a neat sh replacement at: www.ueber.net/code -> look for wmrun
(11:43:44) fgudin: ISTR (not used it in a while) it has completion, history, etc.
(11:44:15) rlp10: fgudin: thanks, I'll try to work out how to install it
(11:45:07) fgudin: you can mount its repo once you installed his hgfs, there copy stuff (or arrange to have it writable) and just build
(11:45:23) fgudin: i don't remember any hurdles relating to his work
(11:46:34) fgudin: let me check sthg…
(11:47:29) fgudin: i thought i'd have one already compiled, but not on my server
(11:49:00) rlp10: thanks for looking.  when i run the mount command it just pauses with no feedback.  i can't cd to /n/hg ... is there something I should do before running the mount command?
(11:49:07) rlp10: Sorry I'm being such a newbie
(11:53:09) fgudin: np, Inferno confused (and still…) me quite a bit :) No, I just do it like this: mount -A -P net!knaagkever.ueber.net!6867 /n/hg
(11:53:53) fgudin: network filtering somewhere ?
(11:54:58) rlp10: when I run that command, should it return me to the command prompt?
(11:55:23) rlp10: It just "hangs"
(11:56:04) fgudin: it should, yes. I checked: his host is UP, and my mount seems functional
(11:56:38) rlp10: hmm, thanks for your help... clearly there's something wrong with mine :(  I'll have a google around and see if I can work it out
(11:56:49) fgudin: just check outside inferno with telnet (telnet knaagkever.ueber.net 6867) and see if you can reach it
(11:58:54) rlp10: yes, it opens, i can type things, and then it exits (probably because i'm not speaking the right protocol)
(12:00:08) fgudin: you didn't forget the -A flag (means skip auth phase) ?
(12:01:11) fgudin: can you ip/ping it ?
(12:01:19) fgudin: (from within emu)
(12:02:32) fgudin: sorry: no /net/icmp on my side to do so (might be only available if emu is running as root, or on bare metal)
(12:03:30) rlp10: the ping command says /net/icmp files does not exist
(12:03:42) rlp10: is that what's causing the problem with the mount command, or just the ping command?
(12:06:26) fgudin: just ping
(12:06:37) fgudin: did you run svc/net ?
(12:07:26) fgudin: that's it: reproduced here. Without cs and friends, no way
(12:08:23) fgudin: look at /dis/svc/net: it does prepare things to get DNS, CS and all running
(12:10:18) rlp10: thanks.  it says that it can't find /usr/richard/keyring/default... is there something I need to do to create myself as a user?
(12:14:11) rog: rlp10: you could try mount -A
(12:14:53) rlp10: rog: thanks, but I'm getting the error when I run svc/net
(12:15:26) rog: svc/net is probably unnecessary
(12:15:33) rog: bind '#I' /net; ndb/cs
(12:15:35) rog: should do it
(12:15:48) rlp10: I understand the first command; what's the second command?
(12:16:01) rog: runs the network name resolver
(12:16:41) rog: it maps from, say tcp!foo.com!32345 to /net/tcp 23.44.65.234!32345
(12:17:22) rlp10: Ah I see... I love the idea of everything being a file (hence why I'm here); I can see it's going to take some figuring out though
(12:17:23) rog: i usually put these commands in /lib/sh/profile so they run automatically when inferno's started
(12:18:05) rlp10: ah great... I was wondering what got ran automatically
(12:18:22) rlp10: great I've mounted the code repository :) it's fast too
(12:21:23) rog: fgudin: nice to see someone using the -P option to mount. i implemented it, but i was always a bit uncertain how reliable it could be, given 9P's stateful nature
(12:21:25) fgudin: (work brb)
(12:21:44) rlp10: right, i've copied wmrun onto my machine... would someone mind telling me how to build the thing?
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(12:23:59) fgudin: rog: i don't have an idea if it's actually useful, to be honest (don't know if the host disappears from time to time); but as it's mounted in a persistent emu (running octopus), i thought it was a good idea :) Tnx for that, btw!
(12:24:30) rog: fgudin: have you seen it failover when the network goes down?
(12:26:29) fgudin: i couldn't observe (don't know if it ever happened); i may try later tonight though (i could break the connection externally and test it out, if it helps)
(12:27:12) fgudin: well, i could right now, in fact (i'm going to add a bogus route entry on my host and see…)
(12:29:32) fgudin: routed to lo0 and the host became unreach. -> ls in mount is stalled
(12:31:57) fgudin: yeah! deleted the bogus route and a few tens of seconds later, ls ran fine! Great option :)
(12:32:45) fgudin: would it work also with auth'ed mounts ?
(12:36:24) fgudin: rlp10: cd /n/hg/wmrun/files/tip
(12:36:45) fgudin: rlp10: cp -r * /usr/yourself/tmp or wherever
(12:38:17) fgudin: rlp10: cd back to /usr/yourself/tmp and chmod +w */*
(12:38:31) fgudin: rlp10: p README :)
(12:40:52) rlp10: I presume default-tip is OK? rather than tip
(12:43:29) fgudin: aren't they identical ? i never checked…
(12:45:26) fgudin: rlp10: after that copy and +w, just:
(12:45:29) fgudin: rlp10: SYSHOST=Inferno
(12:45:34) fgudin: rlp10: ROOT=
(12:45:40) fgudin: rlp10: mk install
(12:46:27) rlp10: Cool... so that's installed it into my inferno filesystem?
(12:46:56) fgudin: yes, it should be at /dis/wm/run.dis
(12:47:14) fgudin: and man is wm-run(1)
(12:47:43) fgudin: better read it, the display confused me the 1st time
(12:48:25) rlp10: ah! now this is a shell that I can use more easily... thank you very much for your help
(12:48:34) rlp10: and your patience with a new user :)
(12:48:39) fgudin: glad i could help :)
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(13:07:35) rog: fgudin: i can't quite remember if it also works with authed mounts. i think so.
(13:11:34) fgudin: rog: k (i thought they're could be some "crypto" context that'd need to be reinit'ed); going out for lunch now…
(13:12:20) rog: fgudin: there is, but the API caters for that
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