Conversation with #inferno at Mon Dec 30 18:48:27 2013 on powerman@irc.freenode.net (irc)
(18:48:27) #inferno: Topic for #inferno set by mennis at 17:30:16 on 12/28/09
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(01:25:34) phao: Hi. W/o wanting to start rage, is the inferno OS professionally used anywhere?
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(14:07:40) yshurik: Happy new year!
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(09:01:40) leetspete1: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<inferno-list@vitanuova.com>:
(09:01:54) leetspete1: host aspmx.l.google.com [74.125.129.27]: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
(09:02:21) leetspete1: Did the MX record for the mailing list move to GMail and now there is no mailing list?
(09:03:51) leetspete1: I'm ☹ing as hard as I can right now.
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(00:43:39) ***wolfgang42 greets the channel
(00:44:33) wolfgang42: I just built Inferno, hosted on my Linux box, and started the wm. When I open the vile browser, I get a log window stating 'sh: plumber: bad magic' which I presume means that the magic bits in the plumber executable are not what's expected.
(00:44:44) wolfgang42: What's going on here and how do I fix it?
(00:46:56) powerman: wolfgang42: probably you've pressed something
(00:47:09) powerman: like middle-click or so
(00:47:23) powerman: when wm/wm start on my system log window is empty
(00:47:48) wolfgang42: powerman: Yes, I pressed 'Files'.
(00:48:07) powerman: in menu? no, you probably clicked on file file inside 'Files' app
(00:48:08) wolfgang42: * file browser, not vile browser. It's not *that* bad.
(00:48:34) powerman: so it tried to open that file but didn't file which app should be used for that file type
(00:49:11) wolfgang42: Exact sequence:
(00:49:11) wolfgang42: (on host) emu -r. -c0 -g800x600
(00:49:11) wolfgang42: ; wm/wm
(00:49:11) wolfgang42: Menu -> Files
(00:49:56) powerman: plumber is app which does this - get commands from other apps like 'open that file', try to detect how this should be done (using file extension, for example) and use detected app to open given file
(00:50:11) wolfgang42: And the log window appears, with the text:
(00:50:11) wolfgang42: sh: plumber: bad magic
(00:50:11) wolfgang42: sh: plumber: bad magic
(00:50:11) wolfgang42: ftree: can't start plumber: bad magic
(00:50:12) wolfgang42: ftree: no plumber
(00:50:17) powerman: so 'plumber: bad magic' probably mean it failed to auto-detect type of file where you clicked on
(00:50:19) wolfgang42: I *know* what plumber is.
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(00:50:31) wolfgang42: I haven't clicked on any files, though!
(00:50:33) powerman: oh, sorry then :)
(00:51:14) wolfgang42: ftree explicitly states "no plumber", which sounds like something's wrong.
(00:54:02) wolfgang42: powerman: Then when I try to open anything, it says "ftree: cannot plumb [file]", which is obvious since it hasn't a plumber.
(00:55:06) powerman: my ftree open brutus to edit file when I middle-click on nearly anything (even on .dis)
(00:55:58) powerman: so my plumber probably not configured enough (never used it :))
(00:57:46) powerman: what your `ls /chan/plumb*` show?
(00:58:08) wolfgang42: sh: ls: bad magic
(00:59:04) leetspete: That'd be the error you get when the module checksum fails.
(00:59:05) powerman: hm. so you can't run anything even in shell prompt?
(00:59:10) wolfgang42: Apparently.
(00:59:23) wolfgang42: `cat` works.
(00:59:25) leetspete: Tried rebuilding?
(00:59:44) wolfgang42: ... you can cat a directory?!
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(01:00:22) powerman: /dis/cat.dis has no dependencies
(01:00:37) wolfgang42: Also, /chan/plumb* has no matches.
(01:00:37) powerman: /dis/ls.dis depend on 5 libs from /dis/lib/*.dis
(01:00:51) powerman: probably you've issue with some of these libs
(01:01:22) powerman: /chan/plumb* doesn't exists because plumber wasn't started - like ls
(01:01:51) wolfgang42: I got a fresh copy from the inferno website and updated from mercurial; I'm not sure how I would have gotten bad libraries. How do I rebuild?
(01:02:04) leetspete: wolfgang42: You can cat a directory.  It's actually the way listings work, and the garbage that you see is Inferno's replacement for the stat() syscall.
(01:02:40) wolfgang42: Ah, cool!
(01:02:50) leetspete: Probably want to first try 'cd /appl; mk install'.
(01:03:41) leetspete: If that fails, you'll have to rebuild from the host.
(01:03:51) qrstuv: it would be interesting to know which file is broken and what's in it
(01:04:18) wolfgang42: No, that didn't work either. From the host?
(01:04:35) leetspete: wolfgang42: Due to bad magic?
(01:05:04) leetspete: From the host, 'mk install' ought to fix it.
(01:05:07) wolfgang42: leetspete: It does the exact same thing as it did before I did cd appl; mk install.
(01:05:17) wolfgang42: Should I try `mk nuke` first?
(01:06:12) powerman: you can try with it first, but if `mk install` fails - it most often because you didn't `mk nuke` first
(01:06:21) leetspete: If your build system inside Inferno is intact still, mk clean; mk install ought to fix it.
(01:06:21) powerman: *without it
(01:06:55) ***wolfgang42 tries
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(01:10:16) wolfgang42: Still the same problem
(01:13:57) wolfgang42: Not having ls makes it difficult to do anything.
(01:15:26) leetspete: Indeed.
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(01:15:51) leetspete: So, on the host, mk nuke; mk install, right?  That's been done?
(01:16:56) wolfgang42: leetspete: I did `mk clean; mk install`; should I try nuke instead?
(01:17:22) leetspete: Yeah, nuke is more thorough. :)
(01:18:07) ***wolfgang42 tries again
(01:25:50) wolfgang42: \o/ It works! Thank you leetspete & powerman.
(01:25:56) leetspete: w007
(01:25:59) powerman: cool
(01:28:36) wolfgang42: Where would I look for documentation on emu?
(01:29:03) leetspete: 'wm/man emu' ought to work.
(01:29:28) wolfgang42: I was looking for emu(1), thanks
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(23:17:23) hrd: hallo
(23:17:29) hrd: dwdw
(23:17:29) hrd: dw
(23:17:30) hrd: dw
(23:17:30) hrd: dw
(23:17:30) hrd: dw
(23:17:31) hrd: dw
(23:17:31) hrd: dw
(23:17:31) hrd: dw
(23:17:31) hrd: dw
(23:17:32) hrd: dw
(23:17:32) hrd: dw
(23:17:33) hrd: dw
(23:17:40) leetspete: DW, indeed.
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(23:18:29) held: Gh
(23:18:48) leetspete: Well, I'll tell him you said that.
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(23:19:53) gu: Hi
(23:19:55) gu: Huhu
(23:19:56) gu: H
(23:19:57) gu: L
(23:20:00) leetspete: gu: Hi?
(23:20:01) gu: Kii
(23:20:02) gu: Jhuii
(23:20:04) gu: Huhu
(23:20:14) gu: Hggz
(23:20:20) gu: Echt?
(23:20:27) leetspete: 大回転!
(23:21:24) gu: Huhu?
(23:22:03) ***gu slaps leetspete around a bit with a large trout
(23:22:27) gu: TT
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(21:20:52) leetspete1: Anyone know of a program that produces 386-executables from inside Inferno?
(21:22:21) leetspete1: Because I do! ☺
(21:22:43) leetspete1: BF bytecode interpreter:  https://bitbucket.org/1337p337/bf/src
(21:23:01) leetspete1: Combined with AWIB:  http://awib.googlecode.com/svn/builds/awib-0.3.b
(21:26:07) yshurik1: wow
(21:27:04) yshurik1: leetspete1: can I use it to build inferno kernel being inside native inferno for raspberry pi? but I need ARM
(21:27:30) leetspete1: AWIB only supports Linux/386.
(21:27:41) leetspete1: I think adding ARM would be hard. ☺
(21:28:33) yshurik1: yep, my idea (for future) to tune tcc to generate dis, then build 5c/5l into dis apps :)
(21:29:24) leetspete1: TCC is loads of fun.
(21:31:54) leetspete1: yshurik1: Have you found any good documentation on generating Dis besides the Limbo compiler?
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(21:55:26) Code_Man`: there should be a assembler that can make x86
(21:55:38) Code_Man`: oh nvm
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(22:25:28) yshurik2: leetspete1: I haven't look there yet, my primary objective now is just finish raspberry-pi native inferno
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(12:13:17) yshurik1: Question: how to setup serial line in linux for 9p? (hosted inferno on linux)
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(17:19:54) yshurik1: nobody knows?
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(20:14:55) qrstuv: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/rog/infauth/
(20:15:07) qrstuv: rogpeppe: have you updated any of that since 2007?
(20:15:21) rogpeppe: qrstuv: nope :-)
(20:15:38) rogpeppe: qrstuv: it still works AFAIK
(20:16:20) qrstuv: okay
(20:16:27) qrstuv: i'll be working on them a little
(20:16:39) rogpeppe: qrstuv: cool
(20:17:26) rogpeppe: qrstuv: send me any changes - and i'll upload them to a repo somewhere
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