Conversation with #inferno at Sat Jun 21 02:22:38 2014 on powerman@chat.freenode.net (irc) (02:22:38) #inferno: Topic for #inferno set by mennis at 17:30:16 on 12/28/09 (02:41:48) doublec: rkrishnan: great, hope you get it working (02:42:22) doublec: rkrishnan: I've still got the nexus s but the sim card slot is broken so no cell calls (02:42:38) doublec: rkrishnan: I have a nexus 5 now though so at some point I want to try on that (08:57:37) aksr [~aksr@unaffiliated/aksr] entered the room. (09:18:22) jbrhee left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (09:25:09) jbrhee [~jess@cpe-104-33-95-25.socal.res.rr.com] entered the room. (09:39:33) Code_Man` [~Code_Man@2a02:1205:505a:7fc0:223:54ff:fe38:82c2] entered the room. (12:07:20) aksr left the room (quit: Quit: aksr). (12:08:24) Fish left the room (quit: Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3). (12:08:44) aksr [~aksr@unaffiliated/aksr] entered the room. (15:26:30) Fish [~Fish@bus77-2-82-244-150-190.fbx.proxad.net] entered the room. 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I'm trying to install inferno on windows host, the problem is that during installation on the invocation of the mk program i got an error from mk "cannot alloc 767 bytes" (21:40:44) sssaaa: Ah, i'm using windows 8 x64. the same result got on windows 7 x64 (22:19:13) powerman: sssaaa: did you run `mk nuke` first? (22:19:43) sssaaa: powerman: yes (22:20:02) sssaaa: i followed yours tutorial on habr (22:22:02) powerman: maybe something was changed, most likely in windows toolchain. I'll try to do this myself in win7x64, maybe tomorrow (22:26:22) sssaaa left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds). (22:27:27) sssaaa [6dbc7e88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.188.126.136] entered the room. (22:29:48) sssaaa: powerman: i expirienced this with tgz from vitanuova (2010) and then update from mercurial- also no luck. well, thanks anyway, will try on xp now (22:36:46) rogpeppe1 [~rog@host-92-23-133-217.as13285.net] entered the room. 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(17:56:11) powerman: echosa: i.e. I run only hosted inferno and use it like JVM for my apps (17:56:48) powerman: echosa: except it's not Java and not even Go - Limbo is the best! :-) (17:57:43) echosa: Nice. :-) when you say “for [your] apps”, do you mean apps your write for personal use? for work? both/ (17:58:34) echosa: powerman: also, what’s your host OS? I’m also (trying to) run hosted. (17:58:49) powerman: but I'm using linux/vim as dev environment and run emu with wm/wm only rarely for debugging - all my apps are run under emu-g (17:59:20) powerman: both, but mostly work (17:59:37) echosa: Ah. So you write your apps on your host (Linux) then deploy to Inferno. Got it. (17:59:47) echosa: What work do you do? I’m guessing embedded systems? (18:01:48) powerman: yep. I've prepared mkfiles which let me easily make/test/install both from linux and from inferno https://code.google.com/p/inferno-opt-skel/ (18:02:19) echosa: It’s seeming like, as cool as Inferno is (and it *is* cool), I have no need or use for it. The glitches don’t help, but even those aside, I just see no real use for Inferno for me. :-( (Except, maybe, for just playing around with Limbo, but I’ve alreayd got plenty of hobby languages/projects currently.) (18:02:30) echosa: Nice. (18:02:59) powerman: no, work is very usual - web development mostly. but we use service-oriented architecture on backend, which let me write some of these services in limbo (18:03:58) powerman: thing is, developing in limbo is just easier than in perl/python or even go (18:04:15) echosa: Which is awesome, if I had a reason to use any of those. ;-) (18:04:42) powerman: your reasons depends only on you :) (18:08:16) echosa: Fair enough. :-) Mostly I was just linking the idea of thsi whole lightweight plan9-ish development environment running hosted on my host os. However, for my normal day-to-day dev, just running Acme via plan9port seems to be enough, since everythign else I do/need would be outside of Inferno anyway (apache, php, etc… xcode/objective-c… Java [I know, I know, shut up ;-) ]…) (18:08:23) echosa: *liking the idea (18:09:10) powerman: another reason to use it - read inferno sources, learn architecture and way it use to solve issues. this usually gives a huge boost in professional qualification, at least if you're developer - no matter which OS/language you're using for daily work (18:10:06) echosa: True enough, though I’ve been focusing more on increasing my software and langauge knowledge and abilities. (18:10:51) echosa: I need something like Inferno katas or Limbo katas. :-) Somethign to guide me. I usually jsut can’t think of somethign to do or come up with something to write. (18:11:40) echosa: So, if you dev on your Linux host and deploy to your Inferno emu, do you ever run the wm? (18:12:25) powerman: as I said, rarely - only when I need to debug something subtle (18:14:32) powerman: it's really cool what you can connect to remotely running service and check it internal processes/memory stats/etc. and even attach local debugged to it, but it's much better when you don't need to do this :) (18:14:43) powerman: *debugger (18:14:52) echosa: I’ve been so focused on getting the wm and such setup, I completely glossed over the other stuff. :-/ Bad on my part, but to the fair, it’s the internal developer environment I was mostly interested in to begin with. (18:17:01) powerman: if you like acme you probably also need wm to run it :) I've tried to get used to acme but failed - I need syntax highlight at least, my mouse wheel isn't really suitable to be used as one of main buttons, and I love Vim :) (18:24:45) echosa: Yeah, I’m very much an Emacs guy, with Vi(m) at a *very* close second (I use Vi(m) keys in Emacs). However, I’ve been giving Acme a fair shot. http://echosa.github.io/blog/categories/acme/ (18:25:16) echosa: I’m getting used to not having syntax hilighting, but using a scroll wheel as a button *sucks* so I’m looking for an actual three-button mouse. (18:25:56) echosa: Outside of that, I’m *really* liking Acme the past couple of days. Finally got some dev time in it, and there’s a lot I like about it. (18:26:21) echosa: In fact, a new blog post ought to be coming to that link (above) in the next few days, hopefully. :-) (18:26:52) echosa: But as far as Inferno is concerned, as I said, I’ve got Acme running through plan9port, so I don’t really need it to run in Inferno. (18:34:18) echosa: Ok. Well, thanks for the info, powerman! I appreciate the chat. Perhaps I’ll find some time to play around with Inferno and Limbo more. :-) I feel, at minimum, partially inspired to do so. ^_^ (18:34:41) powerman: echosa: have fun :) (18:35:02) echosa left the room. 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