Conversation with #inferno at Mon Apr 24 23:34:59 2017 on powerman@chat.freenode.net (irc)
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(17:39:08) if_gaga1: hello guys, sorry about my bad english
(17:40:07) if_gaga1: i have hosted inferno, and will create sort of virtual ethernet cards and some virtual netwroks inside inferno
(17:40:58) if_gaga1: i reading http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/man/3/ether.html, and after bind '-I#' /net there is no /net/ether[N]/* namespaces
(17:41:32) if_gaga1: virtual ethers/networks can be done in hosted inferno?
(17:42:42) powerman: if_gaga1: depends on what you call virtual :)
(17:43:09) if_gaga1: oh wait 
(17:43:09) if_gaga1: ; cat /dev/drivers | grep '#l' | wc -l
(17:43:09) if_gaga1:       0
(17:43:18) powerman: I didn't used ether device, but AFAIK it (hardware ether) doesn't available in hosted inferno. But you didn't need that:
(17:43:19) if_gaga1: this means, i have no driver for ethernet?
(17:43:51) powerman: if you need "virtual" then just implement application in Limbo which exports same files as hardware ether device.
(17:44:13) powerman: and mount that to /net/ether whatever
(17:45:59) if_gaga1: powerman: not exactly, i will create "virtual" ethernet cards, assign own ipstack on each one, and 'emulate' some basic network activity, like ping, for education purposes
(17:46:46) powerman: then maybe you didn't need ether devices at all, just network stack like /net/tcp, which is available in hosted inferno
(17:48:04) if_gaga1: powerman: okay, i will create some "virtual switch" inside inferno, based on #l driver 
(17:48:35) if_gaga1: create 4 ethernet 'virtual' cards  and connect it with another 4 ethernet virtual cards
(17:49:59) if_gaga1: like 2 switch and link between them
(17:51:26) if_gaga1: i want to emulate L2 (and L3 in future) network 
(17:52:20) if_gaga1: if i'm understand correctly the inferno concept, there is no problem
(17:52:52) if_gaga1: but in hosted case, i have no ethernet driver :/ regarding http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/man/3/ether.html
(18:01:34) if_gaga1: http://www.gemusehaken.org/ipwl/beta/rev3_231.png.html sad
(18:02:24) if_gaga1: the first paragraph
(18:11:16) if_gaga1: related topic https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/inferno-os/XAfX3Nx-ikQ
(18:22:59) if_gaga1: ok, i will try running one native inferno in qemu, connect hosted inferno to then, and share '/net/ether' 
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(22:07:11) if_gaga1: wow, it works! 
(22:07:14) if_gaga1: mount -Ac 'tcp!172.16.168.2!1234' /n/native
(22:07:50) if_gaga1: cat /n/native/net/ether0/clone 
(22:07:54) if_gaga1: cat /n/native/net/ether0/3/stats
(22:10:16) powerman: :)
(22:10:35) powerman: everything is a file, that's it.
(22:14:16) if_gaga1: also, i running native inferno in qemu using this how-to https://bitbucket.org/dboddie/inferno-os/wiki/Building%20a%20PC%20Disk%20Image
(22:15:13) if_gaga1: anyway, i have question, how i can create virtual ethernets stack, and something like a bridge (for virtual switch)
(22:18:51) qrstuv: you can begin by reading os/pc/devether.c
(22:18:52) powerman: if you've multiple /net/etherX/ and you needs to use them as one somehow, then you just write an app in Limbo which exports file tree which looks and feels just like usual /net/ether/ (so you can mount it somewhere) and that app uses several other /net/etherX/ to proxy/translate operations done on it's own virtual exported file tree
(22:19:12) powerman: or just run existing app if there is one - I didn't used /net/ether so I don't know
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(22:58:19) if_gaga1: powerman: yep, i assumed the same way, mount /net/etherX in differenet limbo process...
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(23:12:13) acmeuser: yes this dog
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(23:58:39) leetspete1: Related:  http://i.imgur.com/d5OmGet.png
(00:01:21) fnodeuser: good dog :P
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