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(03:50:25) bjorkintosh: much better.
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(04:03:32) gerryxiao: hello
(04:04:07) gerryxiao: which one sould i choose? plan9 and inferno?
(04:04:48) bjorkintosh: ching chin-lai tso.
(04:05:05) bjorkintosh: inferno.
(04:05:08) bjorkintosh: simpler.
(04:05:10) bjorkintosh: runs on most things.
(04:06:49) gerryxiao: and what is inferno anyways?
(04:07:03) bjorkintosh: *gasp* it's superior to plan9.
(04:07:13) bjorkintosh: oh shit. uriel's here too.
(04:07:15) bjorkintosh: dammit!
(04:07:35) gerryxiao: who is uriel?
(04:09:07) bjorkintosh: who knows.
(04:11:57) gerryxiao: can inferno install on my real box?
(04:12:15) gerryxiao: or just qemu?
(04:12:24) bjorkintosh: no.
(04:12:31) bjorkintosh: it uses your current OS as a host.
(04:12:45) bjorkintosh: so it'll sit directly atop ubuntu.
(04:12:50) bjorkintosh: you won't need qemu to run it.
(04:12:57) gerryxiao: need a partition or just free spaces?
(04:14:31) bjorkintosh: space.
(04:25:22) gerryxiao: does inferno still under developing?
(04:34:48) mennis: One can install inferno directly on the hardware as well.  This is one of the strengths of the project.
(04:35:11) mennis: Inferno _is_ currently being developed.
(04:35:56) mennis: It has a fairly active community with a mailing list for most questions.
(04:45:57) gerryxiao: install script stoped 
(04:46:18) gerryxiao: sudo sh ./install/Linux-386.sh /usr/inferno_root/
(04:46:34) gerryxiao: and stop there
(04:46:48) gerryxiao: no any message
(04:48:37) mennis: gerryxiao: Check the hosted build section of this blog: http://inferno.corvus.net/
(04:49:25) mennis: The process is the same for linux as OSx with the obvious substitutions.
(04:52:22) gerryxiao: it seems installing script refuse running and not give messages :P
(04:53:03) gerryxiao: and i can't kill it  , ctrl+c not work
(04:53:11) gerryxiao: odd
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(05:19:16) gerryxiao: emu not run on ubuntu
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(12:49:51) gerryxiao: hello
(12:49:58) gerryxiao: how to update inferno
(13:21:20) andguent: svn up?
(13:23:44) gerryxiao: i know in plan9, i can type "pull" command to update
(13:25:08) gerryxiao: how to exit from inferno?
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(21:16:35) anothy_x: gerryxiao: there's no explicit "quit" or "exit". just kill the root shell, either by exiting that, or killing the process.
(22:38:56) powerman: anothy_x: there shutdown -h
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(22:56:31) uriel: hey powerman
(22:56:44) uriel: powerman-asdf1: how is inferno doing in production?
(22:57:05) powerman: uriel: hi
(22:58:05) powerman: it's ok. :) now I'm developing new architecture, keeping in mind ability to implement most of small services used in that architecture both in perl and limbo
(22:59:07) powerman: that will be ease way to plug inferno in production under really high load (currently it used for non-critical things like admin panel services), with ease way to rollback to perl in case something goes wrong
(23:00:08) powerman: also it will be ease way to compare perl vs limbo implementations for same services (not 100% fair because there will be no styx for now, I'll use plain tcp+json for now)
(23:00:21) uriel: nice
(23:00:47) powerman: but it can't be 100% fair anyway, because styx is too hard for perl (for now) and json isn't native enough for limbo anyway
(23:00:56) uriel: json is good
(23:01:18) uriel: better than most things out there this days anyway..
(23:01:47) powerman: o, yeah :)
(23:03:04) powerman: I'd love people around me saying magic word "XML" and start looking at me curiously - they expect I'll reply 'o, yeah, xml is a king, it makes things so simpler, I love xml, yeah, sure, we work with xml every day'...
(23:03:29) powerman: ... but they usually receive much different reply from me... if any. :-/
(23:03:44) powerman: usually my reply begin with word 'json ...' :)
(23:06:34) powerman: only annoying thing with json is needs to encode binary data in some text format like base64... or using some hacks to transfer binary data as 'broken unicode string' - that require json pack/unpack code on both sides doesn't try to check is unicode correct while packing/unpacking
(23:11:10) uriel: xml is a disease
(23:33:17) powerman: uriel: xml is good as way to switch mainstream from handmade binary data format to something anybody can understand at least... and convert to json with ease in most cases :)
(23:33:46) powerman: so, xml is good "for them", but not "for me" ;-)
(00:20:23) ***uriel isn't so sure, I'd rather take most binary data formats than xml
(00:46:01) olegfink: a sane relatively documented binary format is much better.
(00:46:10) olegfink: and xml isn't self-documenting either.
(00:46:24) olegfink: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0239.html
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(00:58:37) uriel: xmpp is a disgrace
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(04:18:06) bjorkintosh: really?
(04:18:12) bjorkintosh: what *isn't* a disgrace, uriel?
(04:20:02) uriel: some things
(04:37:11) bjorkintosh: eg?
(04:40:21) anothy_x: i got really good home-made amish jelly and pickled corn relish. totally wonderful; totally not a discrace.
(04:50:59) uriel: heh
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