Conversation with #inferno at Sat Apr  4 22:01:18 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(01:01:02) bjorkintosh: how well does inferno know it's host OS?
(01:03:18) caerwyn: Usually only well enough to support the inferno virtual OS interface.
(01:03:40) caerwyn: it knows filesystems, some devices like audio
(01:03:54) caerwyn: and enough graphics to display the screen
(01:04:11) caerwyn: was there something specific you were looking at?
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(01:05:51) bjorkintosh: nah just wondering.
(01:05:59) bjorkintosh: do you use it much?
(01:07:21) caerwyn: everyday. i use acme everyday on windows.
(01:07:34) bjorkintosh: just acme?
(01:08:01) ***olegfink didn't realise acme-sac came with limbo till now. wow.
(01:08:12) caerwyn: all the other typical shell tools too, that's just part of the environment.
(01:09:00) olegfink: but now there's a native sam port together with rc, grep, awk, etc.
(01:09:01) caerwyn: at the moment i'm playing with amazon EC2 to host inferno
(01:09:10) bjorkintosh: ah.
(01:09:16) caerwyn: i still prefer acme over sam. but sam is an awesome editor too.
(01:09:35) caerwyn: i'm glad of the new port, but there has always been a good working port of sam on windows.
(01:09:49) caerwyn: it was part of the 9pm package.
(01:09:56) bjorkintosh: hmmm. 
(01:10:08) bjorkintosh: have you run it on bare metal yet?
(01:10:14) caerwyn: only on nintendo-ds
(01:10:46) bjorkintosh: ah. with the gui?
(01:11:11) newmanbe: The 9pm sam would crash for me when saving large files.
(01:11:17) olegfink: inferno-ds is an exceptionally nice project, I'd like to get a DS/DSi with inferno.
(01:11:21) caerwyn: yes. with the standard tk gui.
(01:11:54) bjorkintosh: interesting.
(01:12:07) caerwyn: newmanbe: really? i never had a problem. about the only times I use it still is with large files that acme-sac might have a problem with.
(01:12:08) olegfink: caerwyn, is there a particular reason why windows acme-sac uses a custom cursor?
(01:12:16) bjorkintosh: inferno now comes with all it's sources right?
(01:12:34) caerwyn: olegfink: that's the "traditional" acme cursor from plan9
(01:12:54) olegfink: uhm? plan9 has a much fatter cursor.
(01:12:59) caerwyn: bjorkintosh: yes it does. http://code.google.com/p/inferno-os
(01:13:08) newmanbe: I like that the new sam is not gignomous like acme-sac.
(01:13:14) caerwyn: acme-sac is http://code.google.com/p/acme-sac if you want a windows editor.
(01:13:30) bjorkintosh: i don't use windows very much.
(01:13:45) caerwyn: nevermind then. try p9p acme then.
(01:14:47) bjorkintosh: i do use acme every now and then.
(01:15:42) caerwyn: newmanbe: i tried to trim acme-sac and the filesystem. it doesn't carry too much extra weight.
(01:18:11) bjorkintosh: there's just limbo in inferno right? 
(01:20:09) newmanbe: If you just need a sane text editor, it is still over kill. :)
(01:21:02) caerwyn: sure. i spend a lot of my time in eclipse. its relative.
(01:22:43) caerwyn: sometimes i feel like acme doesn't do nearly enough. if you're used to sam, it tries to do too much.
(01:23:38) newmanbe: I have been using sam -d instead of ed--I am more used to it than acme.
(01:24:16) newmanbe: I just prefered sam in general even before that, though. *shrug*
(01:24:19) caerwyn: that's hardcore. you probably don't work on large Java codebases.
(01:25:02) newmanbe: Haha. No.
(01:25:13) newmanbe: Mostly *.ms and the like.
(01:26:04) caerwyn: bjorkintosh: limbo is the main language.
(01:26:21) caerwyn: there is a kinda javascript implementation.
(01:26:42) caerwyn: and the kernel and several system libraries are in C
(01:27:16) caerwyn: and there's shell of course.
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(01:31:16) newmanbe: I think my biggest complaint about acme was that I would hilight text and forget it snarfs it. :)
(01:31:58) newmanbe: s/complaint/bother
(01:49:53) anothy_x: newmanbe: you mean rather than maintaining its own snarf buffer, like sam?
(01:50:36) newmanbe: No, that's not the problem.
(01:51:02) newmanbe: If you select text, to delete it say, it is snarfed.
(01:51:13) newmanbe: And I usually forget that it does that until after I get confused.
(01:51:56) anothy_x: ah
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(01:54:19) olegfink: would snarf stack make sense?
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(02:01:40) newmanbe: A stack would be better than whatever Microsoft Word attempts to do.
(02:01:51) newmanbe: Which is probably a stack of some sort; I just don't understand it.
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(02:09:03) maht: uriel : I made a start on Limbo version of the raytracer from http://www.hxa.name/minilight/
(02:10:01) maht: got the mesh file parsing and scene building done, just on to the actual rendering now, about half the code done I think in about 14 hours
(02:11:00) maht: wuld have got a bit further if Acme / Inferno didn't crash - the install cd on vita is 20071003 !
(02:12:43) maht: I can hardly run it on debian :(
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(02:32:03) maht: my list of little things to port http://delicious.com/maht0x0r/port2plan9
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(03:00:27) caerwyn: maht: you should really use the latest svn code. 
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