Conversation with #inferno at Fri May 22 23:31:58 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc) (01:33:26) Fish left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (03:40:50) npe left the room (quit: ). (06:10:53) newmanbe left the room (quit: Connection reset by peer). (06:45:58) acmeuser [n=acmeuser@c-71-233-145-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] entered the room. (06:46:25) acmeuser left the room. (07:00:26) a2n left the room (quit: Connection timed out). (07:14:31) a2n [n=a2n@163.23.105.193] entered the room. (08:08:08) eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-129-121.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] entered the room. (08:19:08) eno left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.). (08:19:13) eno__ is now known as eno (08:24:07) asolove [n=asolove@c-24-18-230-100.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] entered the room. (08:24:58) a2n left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (08:28:28) a2n [n=a2n@163.23.105.193] entered the room. (08:48:28) sea-gull [n=sea-gull@95-28-236-138.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (09:10:29) asolove left the room (quit: ). (10:10:26) npe [n=npe@91.180.55.179] entered the room. (10:37:40) a2n left the room (quit: verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). (10:37:40) andguent left the room (quit: verne.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). (10:38:24) a2n [n=a2n@163.23.105.193] entered the room. (10:38:24) andguent [n=andguent@vps832469550.serverpool.info] entered the room. (11:01:28) Fish [n=SPARCman@AVelizy-152-1-42-135.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] entered the room. (12:14:25) npe_ [i=npe@94-224-249-160.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (12:30:23) npe left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (13:00:09) C-Keen left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (16:57:07) stu8ball: dis on jazelle would be cool. (17:03:40) soul9: hahahah, a new architecture designed specifically to adress java software's implementational asshatness. great! (17:06:35) sqweek: haven't they been designing those sort of architectures ever since the jvm was born? (17:08:06) soul9: yeah, they have :D (17:08:17) soul9: suns processors also include stuff to fix java :D (17:13:44) newmanbe [n=btdn@99-189-120-112.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] entered the room. (17:35:00) mjl-: stu8ball: where did you come across it? (17:35:10) mjl-: and do you think plain jazelle is useful? (17:35:21) mjl-: i think jazelle rct was the interesting extension (17:35:40) stu8ball: wikipedia, and no idea - I only said 'would be cool'. (17:36:24) olegfink: jazelle's absolutely useless for java, and it has no documentation. (17:36:31) stu8ball: yeah (17:39:06) mjl-: i think the rct instructions did have documentation (17:39:14) mjl-: at least more than jazelle (17:39:21) mjl-: thumb-2ee it's called (17:39:54) mjl-: the cortex-a8 should have them, e.g. beagle board (17:40:15) stu8ball: oh thumb (17:40:24) stu8ball: heard of thumb, and limbo-related stuff on it (17:40:29) stu8ball: didn't just know it was the same thing (17:41:43) mjl-: it's not the same (17:42:37) stu8ball: related (17:42:55) mjl-: normal arm instructions are 32 bit. thumb are 16 bit (not all instructions can be expressed, notably interrupt handling, so those remain in normal arm instructions). thumb-2 is a newer version of the 16-bit instruction set, with instructions for exception handling. then thumb-2ee has the added jazelle rct instructions. (17:43:18) stu8ball: ah (18:46:07) dagle: Sometimes I wonder... A unix person had added 200 lines of code to his shellscript because of the fact that the command was blocking when he could just have added a "&" and make it noneblocking. (18:51:15) sea-gull: dagle: it happens :). There's more than one way to do it