Conversation with #inferno at Fri Jun 5 11:39:47 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc) (11:50:17) gualteri [n=unknown@crespins.disca.upv.es] entered the room. (12:29:25) yiyus left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (12:44:23) eno left the room (quit: brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). (12:44:30) eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] entered the room. (12:48:26) hotaru2k3 left the room (quit: "Leaving"). (13:58:57) sea-gull: hi all! mjl-, is there any nix compatible version of diff? (14:03:16) mjl-: hmm, good question (14:03:19) mjl-: i don't think directly (14:03:27) mjl-: there are some modified versions around though (14:03:37) mjl-: i know caerwyn has some code to implement -u (14:03:40) mjl-: it's in acme-sca (14:03:44) mjl-: acme-sac* (14:04:00) mjl-: and i have a patch that diffs non-existing files to /dev/null (14:04:09) sea-gull: mjl-: oh, -u <- is what I need (14:04:29) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/hg/hgweb/files/last/ndiff.diff (14:04:34) mjl-: that's the /dev/null thing (14:04:39) mjl-: let me look for caerwyn's patch (14:07:27) mjl-: http://code.google.com/p/acme-sac/source/browse/appl/cmd/diff.b ← i think that has -u support (14:07:39) mjl-: i'm not 100% sure. but you can fetch it and test :) (14:09:07) sea-gull: mjl-: ok, thanks :) (14:10:15) mjl-: np (14:10:21) mjl-: sea-gull: how is communication with roman going? (14:11:45) sea-gull: mjl-: the last time I wrote a week ago. (14:12:04) sea-gull: mjl-: asked about index format compatibility. 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(20:04:59) anothy_x left the room (quit: "Leaving."). (20:14:40) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (20:48:14) digijohn [n=digijohn@129.33.192.160] entered the room. (20:54:50) digijohn left the room. (20:58:17) digijohn [n=digijohn@129.33.192.160] entered the room. (20:59:00) digijohn: hello (21:01:47) mjl-: howdy (21:04:44) uriel: hey digijohn (21:12:39) sea-gull: mjl-: Hi! Have you ever used new version of lists.m? (21:13:37) npe [n=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (21:14:24) mjl-: new version? (21:14:28) mjl-: how new is new? (21:14:46) sea-gull: mjl-: new == polymorphic version (21:14:49) mjl-: ah (21:14:52) mjl-: jups, i've used it (21:15:20) mjl-: i've used quite a bit of limbo's polymorphism (21:15:20) sea-gull: how? I couldn't. I tried a lot of combinations, but without success (21:15:34) mjl-: which function do you want to use/ (21:15:56) sea-gull: reverse (21:16:33) mjl-: ok, and what is not working about it? do you happen to have sample code somewhere? and/or a compiler error message? (21:17:16) mjl-: my first guess is: you're trying to reverse a list of a non-ref/pointer type, e.g. a list of int or list of non-ref-tuple (21:17:30) sea-gull: I couldn't compile. It says: "that's the type not variable" (or something like that)/ (21:18:00) mjl-: ok. well, something like this should work: l := list of {"a", "b", "c"}; l = lists->reverse(l); (21:20:51) sea-gull: ah, it works. And no need to point T? (21:21:14) mjl-: no, the type (T in the definition of reverse()) is determined by the compiler (21:21:44) sea-gull: I saw this version in your code. But thought that it was for old version. (21:21:45) mjl-: you'll get an error when you do this: l: list of ref A; m := list of {"a", "b"}; l = lists->reverse(m); (21:22:49) mjl-: use of polymorphism isn't well-documented i think... i usually write a few simple test programs to determine the exact behaviour, and corner case behaviour. that has worked well (21:24:33) sea-gull: btw, I couldn't find any program that uses sorts.m and lists.m. (21:25:38) mjl-: yeah, that's a bit strange (21:25:45) sea-gull: even readdir uses its own function. (21:25:52) mjl-: i bet there is some non-public code inside vitanuova... (21:26:44) sea-gull: hmm. I thought it was full open-source. (21:27:22) mjl-: inferno is. but that doesn't mean noone hasn't written propietary code on top of it... (21:28:21) sea-gull: I see. (21:42:57) digijohn left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (21:54:37) npe left the room (quit: ). (22:26:04) npe [n=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (22:51:46) npe left the room (quit: ). 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Alot of places don't work when you have have the www., but on those the thing is when you use it without the www. there's no httpd at all for that hostname. So at least they're consistent, even if annoying. (21:12:16) digi9: I guess I could tell Charles (21:12:42) digi9: if http://vitanuova.com worked before, without the www (22:28:14) npe [n=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (23:37:10) sea-gull left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). (00:58:50) npe left the room (quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). (00:59:09) npe [i=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (01:16:43) npe left the room (quit: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)). (01:16:43) npe_ [i=npe@d54C450C4.access.telenet.be] entered the room. (01:53:30) Fish- left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (02:09:00) jas left the room (quit: ). (02:13:36) jas [n=jas@adsl-69-215-39-41.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] entered the room. 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(07:05:54) eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-140-190.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] entered the room. (07:06:31) eno left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (08:08:11) j1m [n=jim@unas-228.rsity.ru] entered the room. (09:23:36) sea-gull [n=sea-gull@95-28-29-143.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (10:06:57) npe left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (10:15:53) sea-gull left the room (quit: "Lost terminal"). (10:27:44) soul9: anyone able to help me? (10:28:03) soul9: i don't remember how i can do the authentication for inferno (10:35:03) mjl-: what do you mean with that? (10:35:13) mjl-: do you want to fetch authentication credentials? (10:35:15) mjl-: getauthinfo (10:36:17) mjl-: i suppose the goal is to get a $home/keyring/someaddr file? by talking to the authentication server, authenticating with a password (10:36:27) soul9: well (10:36:34) soul9: setting all that up, on both ends (10:36:52) soul9: i remember following a doc, log time ago when idid this last, but i completely forgot how to do it (10:38:46) mjl-: hmm, good point. it has been a long time that i last did it (10:39:16) soul9: hehe (10:39:28) mjl-: i guess signer(8), getauthinfo(8), createsignerkey(8) have the info too (10:39:58) mjl-: the ircfs README has a few commands to execute to set up auth (10:40:12) mjl-: but it seems too simple :P (10:40:16) soul9: ahh, actually, i guess that's probably where i got the info from :) (10:40:26) soul9: it is simple, i remember (10:40:29) soul9: thanks (10:41:17) soul9: btw i found your introduction to inferno, and plan to read it through, it looks very interesting (10:52:31) mjl-: cool, if you find anything wrong/unclear, let me know, then i can fix it (10:58:19) soul9: sure thing (11:10:33) npe [n=npe@195.207.5.2] entered the room. 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(13:27:58) soul9: sorry, nvm (13:28:05) soul9: there is a prompt (13:28:07) soul9: key: (13:28:20) soul9: just leave it empty, seems to start the auth service (13:30:49) soul9: mjl-, i found a problem in the readme, i think this is for real :) (13:31:07) soul9: getauthinfo uses $home/keyring anyways (13:31:21) soul9: so no need to call it using getauthinfo $home/keyring/ircfs (13:31:37) soul9: getauthinfo ircfs #should be fine (13:31:40) soul9: testing (13:32:55) soul9: yep (13:33:35) j1m is now known as j123m (13:50:49) gualteri: morning (13:52:53) soul9: heya (14:11:21) ircfsuser [n=none@9souldier.org] entered the room. (14:11:36) ircfsuser: ☺ (14:12:23) ircfsuser: w00t, now to get the nice lucidasans fonts and automate the ircfs launch both on server and client (14:13:42) ircfsuser: i don't even see the smiley in the current inferno fonts ;) (14:57:07) mjl-: hah (14:57:27) mjl-: soul9: i'll change the getauthinfo line, with a later commit (14:57:46) mjl-: the absolute path also works i think, but better keep things in standard usage (15:50:14) soul9: nope, doesn't (15:50:38) ircfsuser: at least not for me ☺ (15:55:41) ircfsuser is now known as r0x0r (16:02:33) r0x0r: mjl-: what is the top text input on wm/irc? (16:26:08) sea-gull [n=sea-gull@95-28-14-219.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (18:04:43) gualteri left the room (quit: "leaving"). (18:07:00) sea-gull: Hi all! (18:07:09) sea-gull: Who maintains man pages? (18:07:40) soul9: well, the whole distrib is maintained by Caerwyn iirc (18:07:53) sea-gull: There's a typo in "examples" section of export(2) (18:08:19) sea-gull: spawn export ...-> spawn exportdir... (18:08:25) soul9: bug to code.google.com/p/inferno-os (18:09:21) soul9: or the mailing list, i guess (18:09:35) soul9: or i also guess you could send him an mail directly (18:09:50) sea-gull: soul9: ok. I'll do that. Thanks! (18:12:52) eno__ is now known as eno (18:15:18) sea-gull: soul9: btw, what's coffee application is about? (18:15:25) soul9: :D (18:17:39) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (18:20:53) mjl-: r0x0r: the top text input is a search bar (18:20:57) mjl-: there are some shortcuts for it (18:21:07) mjl-: i think they're documented in the man page (18:21:31) mjl-: btw, it's charles forsyth, from vitanuova, who maintains inferno-os, on googlecode (18:21:44) soul9: ah, right (18:21:52) soul9: man, i'm mixed up (18:22:01) soul9: mjl-, ok, search, great! (18:31:05) mennis left the room (quit: Client Quit). (18:38:02) te left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (19:10:15) npe left the room (quit: No route to host). (19:16:26) te [i=tao@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-011eeb67dbe52dd6] entered the room. (19:17:09) sea-gull left the room (quit: Connection timed out). (20:06:59) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (21:15:03) sea-gull [n=sea-gull@95-28-96-7.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (22:06:28) acmeuser [n=acmeuser@home.microboticsinc.com] entered the room. (22:07:02) acmeuser left the room. 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(06:23:43) eno left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (06:29:02) eno__ is now known as eno (09:17:07) npe left the room (quit: ). (09:19:34) underspecified_ [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-218.naist.jp] entered the room. (09:47:29) sea-gull [n=sea-gull@95-28-179-162.broadband.corbina.ru] entered the room. (10:10:55) underspecified__ [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-218.naist.jp] entered the room. (10:11:56) underspecified_ left the room (quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). (10:54:07) mjl-: sea-gull: i see charles applied the exportdir fix already! (10:54:18) mjl-: nice (10:54:19) mjl-: morning all (10:54:30) sea-gull: mjl-: good morning (10:56:45) sea-gull: he's overactive :) (10:58:27) mjl-: overactive is good :) (10:58:39) mjl-: i'm continuing on turning ip/bootpd into ip/dhcpd today (11:03:42) underspecified__ left the room (quit: ). (11:04:20) soul9: is there a shift in inferno's sh? (11:04:26) soul9: or something like shift (11:07:07) mjl-: you could use (whatever vars)=$vars (11:07:22) mjl-: see Assignment in sh(1) (11:07:42) soul9: ooo, sweet (11:08:03) soul9: yeah, still need to get mor acquainted with sh (11:08:31) mjl-: sh-std's ${tl $var} works too (11:08:50) mjl-: yeah, inferno's sh is quite different from other shells (11:08:59) mjl-: the ones i know at least (11:10:01) soul9: coding a new irclib for my ircfs :) (11:14:07) j123m left the room. (11:20:37) j1m [n=jim@unas-228.rsity.ru] entered the room. (11:21:36) j1m is now known as j123m (11:21:41) j123m left the room. (11:36:18) soul9: :-/ (11:36:28) soul9: no return either, is it possible to break a loop? (11:40:04) mjl-: from sh-std(1) (11:40:06) mjl-: Each of the looping commands for, apply, while, and getlines installs an exception handler for the duration of the loop to catch the exceptions break and continue. 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(13:04:40) mjl-: blegh, i'm starting to dislike ndb/attrdb (13:04:57) mjl-: attrdb(2) has too many lists and layers of indirection (13:05:01) mjl-: and it isn't fully documented (13:05:09) mjl-: module/ipattr.m isn't documented at all (13:11:54) mjl-: that, and querying any ip-related information is annoying, since you always keep handling ip&ipmask's. it seems even ipattr doesn't just handle all of that. (13:12:06) mjl-: even ipattr keeps returnings lists of things (13:23:31) soul9 [n=none@unaffiliated/johnnybuoy] entered the room. (13:48:01) ***soul9 is grateful for ircfs, the most amazing irc boncer around (13:48:12) ***soul9 wonders if styxlisten encrypts connections (13:56:31) soul9: uh oh, can't copy from the wm/irc buffer, that's an oopsie :( (13:56:58) soul9: mjl-: is it possible to copy from wm/irc channel buffer? (13:57:15) soul9: looks like i can copy from the text input, but not from the channel buffer :( (14:01:00) mjl-: the text areas do some kind of acme-like chording (14:01:03) mjl-: but it isn't flawless... (14:01:27) soul9: yeah, the textarea copy-paste is fine, i can't copy from the buffer :-( (14:02:09) mjl-: i'm not sure i understand what you want to copy (14:02:18) soul9: text from the cannel output (14:02:26) mjl-: that's the textarea, right? (14:02:34) mjl-: 13:02 mjl-: that's the textarea, right? (14:02:36) mjl-: like that (14:02:40) mjl-: i copy-pasted that (14:02:43) soul9: O?! (14:02:48) soul9: hmmmmmm weiiiiird (14:02:53) soul9: i can't copy from it (14:02:59) mjl-: oh (14:03:05) mjl-: are you double-clicking to select? (14:03:07) mjl-: that doesn't seem to work (14:03:13) soul9: i can copy from the text input, but not from the textarea (14:03:17) mjl-: you need to explicitly b1-drag-b2 (14:03:18) soul9: ah, maybe, lemme see (14:04:43) soul9: yep, that works (14:04:50) soul9: ok, that's fine (14:05:17) soul9: though the last time i did that i got an X badmatch error and wm just froze...oh well, still better than xchat :D (14:05:39) mjl-: X badmatch, that's the x11 error? (14:05:51) soul9: yeah (14:05:54) mjl-: i've seen complete emu freezes due to x11 code here too (14:05:57) mjl-: usually when i type to fast (14:06:01) mjl-: sldifjalsdifjljdf; (14:06:04) mjl-: ho (14:06:07) mjl-: was testing :P (14:06:09) soul9: ☺ (14:29:41) soul9: so, can anyone test on a virgin install of inferno-os, if the menu works? (14:29:46) soul9: doesn't work for me :-( (14:52:57) mjl-: which menu? (14:53:05) mjl-: the start menu? (14:56:41) soul9: yeah, the wm menu that's populated with menu in wmsetup (14:57:56) soul9: maybe it's just my wmsetup that messes things up, but it's strange, the menu is there, but the stuff won't run from it (14:59:04) soul9: ah, yep, my bad ☺ (14:59:25) soul9: i had wm/irc /n/irc/* # in my wmsetup, i just nneded a & at the end (14:59:28) soul9: all good now, nvm (15:15:24) underspecified_ [n=eric@softbank220043052007.bbtec.net] entered the room. (15:39:05) sea-gull: Why Styxserver.remove always returns Rmsg.Error? (15:45:18) mjl-: because it cannot provide a sensible default implementation (15:46:29) mjl-: so, you must handle the Tremove yourself, instead of letting it be handled by styxservers (through default() or explicit remove()) (15:50:16) mjl-: does that make sense? (15:50:35) sea-gull: mjl-: yes (16:28:28) sea-gull left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). (17:48:14) gualteri [n=unknown@crespins.disca.upv.es] entered the room. 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(17:23:37) mjl-: btw, just pushed this: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/dhcpd (17:37:49) gualteri: great, just noticed that os/init/bootinit.b does tftp & boots the tftped kernel (17:39:02) gualteri: http://sivers.org/zipit "Shut up! Announcing your plans makes you less motivated to accomplish them." (17:40:54) mjl-: huh? what's that? :) (17:55:58) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (17:56:51) gualteri: just read it somewhere, and found it curious (17:58:06) mjl-: hmm (17:58:08) mjl-: it's interesting (17:58:27) mjl-: i read a link from sqweek some time ago, about a guy that used to work at bell labs (17:58:46) mjl-: he would announce he would do X in his sabbatical, to commit to the work (17:59:01) mjl-: so after bragging about doing it, he would have to finish it (17:59:10) mjl-: it's the opposite intention :) (18:00:25) mjl-: i tend to do things, then talk nowadays. i think so i'm not disappointing myself and others. but who knows what the real reason is :) (18:06:16) gualteri: i also prefer that approach. anyway: just to break the rule i'm thinking on getting the morse.b program to recognize the '... -- ...' (SMS) tone of nokia phones and then do something silly when a sms arrives (18:11:31) mennis left the room (quit: Client Quit). (18:13:07) gualteri: mjl-, have you tried running srclist from inferno on the plan9 kernels? 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(10:47:01) soul9: mjl-: i have a weird behaviour of wm/irc, whereas some people who part is like they sent me their part notice in privmsg, i get a new priv. buffer opened for them and stuff. so i'm connected to 4 networks, and my buffer list is starting to get seriously cluttered ;) (10:47:06) soul9: (latest hg tip) (10:48:16) mjl-: yeah, that's a known bug unfortunately... (10:48:24) mjl-: i tried tracking it down once, but didn't persist... (10:48:30) mjl-: i have more time now, hope to get to it soon (10:48:37) mjl-: ircfs needs a big code review (10:48:53) mjl-: there at least half a dozen scheduled improvements/bug fixes :) (10:49:26) soul9: ok (10:49:33) soul9: cool :) (10:49:39) soul9: i can live with this for now (10:49:51) soul9: i really wonder wtf this is, since it's not every part (10:50:01) soul9: maybe depends on clients, though i'd be surprised (10:50:05) mjl-: exactly, i haven't determined when exactly it happens (10:50:10) mjl-: neh, the servers send the quit messages (10:50:18) soul9: yea (10:50:32) mjl-: i think the accounting of which users are in which channels is bogus (10:50:39) soul9: aah (10:50:42) soul9: i see (10:50:46) mjl-: you only get quit's if a user is in at least one channel (10:50:57) mjl-: but ircfs can't find the channel the user is in (10:51:05) soul9: but since it doesn't know wwhere the user is (10:51:08) soul9: ok, that sounds logical (10:51:34) mjl-: yeah, each channel has a list of users, and it updates that when people join/quit/get kicked, etc. but there must be something wrong there, where the list isn't updated properly (10:51:47) mjl-: and then i can't find a user that really is in a channel (10:52:02) mjl-: so then it creates a new "private" message for the quit, which creates a new window (10:52:58) soul9: yea (10:59:23) soul9: hmm, is there a way to definte the timezone? it's defined in my lunix, but inferno seems to pick up the RTC (set to GMT) (11:00:13) mjl-: locale/timezone (11:00:20) soul9: thanks (11:56:32) gualteri [n=unknown@crespins.disca.upv.es] entered the room.