Conversation with #inferno at Wed Oct 7 08:12:45 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc) (08:37:00) robot12 left the room (quit: "Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)"). (09:04:24) underspecified left the room (quit: ). (09:05:22) underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-202.naist.jp] entered the room. (09:58:48) underspecified left the room (quit: ). (10:10:03) underspecified [n=eric@isa7-dhcp-116-202.naist.jp] entered the room. (10:29:17) mjl-: morning all (10:43:22) gualteri [n=salva@crespins.disca.upv.es] entered the room. (10:45:42) underspecified left the room (quit: ). (11:07:25) gualteri: morning (11:07:46) mjl-: yo gualteri (11:08:12) gualteri: seems people is preparing an ``sheevaplug fest'' for iwp9! (11:09:03) gualteri: looks fun (11:09:09) mjl-: yeah, too bad i'm not going ☹ (11:09:19) gualteri: same here (11:09:58) gualteri: bbl (11:15:29) andguent: mjl-: what about a sheevaplug/inferno fest at glenda camp? ;) (11:16:32) mjl-: i would have a sheevaplug/inferno fest anywhere :) (11:16:54) andguent: btw. are you at the congress in december? (11:17:18) mjl-: in berlin? (11:17:20) mjl-: no plans yet (11:17:23) mjl-: perhaps i should make some (11:17:24) andguent: yep (11:17:27) mjl-: you are going? (11:17:37) andguent: i think so (11:17:44) andguent: at least that's the plan :) (11:17:48) mjl-: cool (11:17:57) mjl-: shouldn't be too hard to make it there (11:18:14) mjl-: what's the entrance fee again? something like 70 euro? or was it 150? (11:18:29) andguent: more like 70 (11:18:43) andguent: but iirc that depends on your employment status or something (11:19:26) mjl-: heh, i consider myself student ;) (11:19:37) andguent: then you should be fine :) (11:20:11) mjl-: i doubt others think the same :P (11:20:12) andguent: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/wiki/Tickets (11:20:17) andguent: from last years (11:20:21) andguent: 80eur standard (11:20:25) andguent: 35 for pupils (11:20:34) andguent: dunno if pupils includes students (11:20:36) andguent: probably not (11:20:37) mjl-: i like the 26c3 website (11:20:41) mjl-: no fancyness (11:20:47) mjl-: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/ (11:20:51) andguent: oh is there already one? (11:20:56) andguent: oh i see. heh (11:21:11) andguent: well i guess they are still waiting for the design. it'll probably change the next months (11:21:24) mjl-: i should mail them, sincerely gratulating them on a great design (11:21:38) mjl-: but yeah, they'll probably put up something "beautiful" soon (11:22:04) mjl-: the date of the event is always a problem (11:22:19) mjl-: i'm often at parents between christman and new year (11:22:47) andguent: yeah i know. but now that date is tradition (11:22:55) andguent: they are not likely to cange that any time soon (11:23:22) andguent: i am around in berlin around these days anyways (11:23:29) andguent: so it's luckily no problem for me (11:23:46) mjl-: yeah, that helps (11:23:52) mjl-: perhaps i shouldn't complain (11:24:15) mjl-: my parents live in .ch, so if i visit them around christmas, it won't be worth it to get through berlin (11:25:00) andguent: i don't understand (11:25:23) andguent: i mean it's not direct way. but it's not too much off either (11:25:42) andguent: but i can understand that you won't want to leave family if you just arrived around 24th (11:27:16) mjl-: if i go to .ch, i will stay a week or so, otherwise it's not worth the trouble (11:29:22) andguent: just move christmas a few days ;) (11:29:51) mjl-: hehe yeah (11:30:02) mjl-: well, there is no reason for me to treat christmas as a special day (11:30:42) andguent: well other than most people don't have to work so it's easier to gather the family (11:45:25) underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] entered the room. 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(16:15:18) eekee left the room (quit: robinson.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). (17:40:29) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (17:53:37) mennis is now known as goodness (17:53:52) goodness is now known as mennis (18:51:04) teh_eekster is now known as eekee (19:16:29) mennis left the room (quit: ). (19:22:22) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (19:48:18) mennis left the room (quit: ). (20:18:26) gualteri left the room. (20:29:14) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (21:55:07) jimerickson: doing another install and am getting 'bin/limbo does not exist deleting runt.h' errors on mk all. what have i done wrong? (22:00:12) mennis: That sounds vaguely familiar. (22:01:59) mennis: Is that when you are set up to do an after install mk but are trying to run install? I'd chec my mkconfig in the root dir. (22:02:48) mennis: Then my PATH to make sure the toolchain is in the path. (22:03:10) jimerickson: mennis thank you (23:40:16) roberthahn [n=robertha@CPE000d3a73f0a0-CM00194757ad54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] entered the room. (23:41:25) roberthahn: Hello! How do you read from the standard input in an inferno sh script? (23:55:28) mennis: <hello world (00:52:38) roberthahn: and i wanted to port that to inferno's sh (00:53:09) anothy_x: is h1 the program? (00:53:15) roberthahn: i'm content to leave it as a ruby script, but it seemed like a simple enough exercise to help me learn more about acme and by extension, infernoo (00:53:44) roberthahn: no, h1 is just part of the standard input. the program is called "tag" (00:54:03) mennis: Do you mean to use $* ? (00:54:20) anothy_x: when you say "sweep", what do you mean, exactly? what are you doing? (00:54:36) anothy_x: yeah, that's where i was headed, too. i think you're confusing arguments and input. (00:55:19) roberthahn: well, in acme, i would select, using the left mouse button, a block of text. in the example above, that block started with the tag i want to wrap the text in (00:55:48) roberthahn: that action of selecting text i called 'sweep' (only because i thought this was acme standard terminology) (00:56:42) roberthahn: so I'm pretty sure I don't want $* because my selection could be many lines long (00:56:51) mennis left the room (quit: ). (00:57:38) roberthahn: and also, I read that if I select text, then middle-clicked on a command, my selection would be passed in on the standard input (00:57:49) roberthahn: which is what I'm trying to find out how to read :) (00:59:24) anothy_x: so you sweep the text. but that doesn't do anything, by default. (00:59:58) roberthahn: right, and then i'd middle click on my 'tag' command, which takes my selection and sends it to tag via the standard input (01:00:59) anothy_x: are you chording? (01:01:20) anothy_x: if you *just* middle-click the tag, it doesn't pass anything. (01:02:04) roberthahn: well, if my command looks like this: |tag, and I middle-clicked that, then it does. (01:02:11) anothy_x: and if you use the 2-1 chord, as described in acme(1), it passes it as an *argument*, not as input. (01:02:22) anothy_x: ah, okay. (01:03:43) anothy_x: in that case, reading /fd/0 should do what you want. (01:03:58) roberthahn: ok let me try that (01:04:04) anothy_x: if i highlight a word, stick |/tmp/fizzypop in the tag and middle-click that, it uppercases it. (01:04:56) roberthahn: and amazingly enough... it didn't work. i just get a blank line back (01:05:05) roberthahn: maybe it's a peculiarity of AcmeSAC (01:05:17) anothy_x: nope, i'm doing it there. (01:05:28) anothy_x: can you post your script somewhere? (01:06:03) roberthahn: it's only 2 lines, the first is the shebang (01:06:09) roberthahn: and this is the second: (01:06:18) roberthahn: echo < /fd/0 (01:06:46) roberthahn: (starting from the basics, heh) (01:07:15) anothy_x: certainly the right place to start. (01:08:22) roberthahn: anothy_x: I'm sorry, I'm getting called away to help with dinner. Thank you SO much for your time here (01:08:26) anothy_x: your problem is echo. (01:08:37) anothy_x: echo doesn't read input, it only echos its arguments. (01:08:44) anothy_x: you likely mean to be using cat there, i guess. (01:08:54) roberthahn: i'll quickly try that... (01:09:16) roberthahn: awesome, that works (01:09:22) roberthahn: thanks, anothy_x (01:09:26) roberthahn: HTH (01:09:26) anothy_x: no worries. (03:11:03) megaboz [i=none@201.80.224.28] entered the room. (05:02:21) te left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). (05:03:40) te [i=tao@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-hrzjtwddgjwugusu] entered the room. (05:41:46) underspecified left the room (quit: ). (05:51:09) sswam [n=sswam@CPE-124-176-172-28.lns2.win.bigpond.net.au] entered the room. (06:45:42) underspecified [n=eric@walnut.naist.jp] entered the room. (07:15:39) eno left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)). (07:18:13) eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] entered the room. (08:44:14) underspecified left the room (quit: ). (09:11:51) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (09:50:50) mjl-: good day all (10:22:04) ***andguent waves (10:22:34) andguent: i was woken up by this evil fedex guy (10:22:37) andguent: i hate this world (10:24:52) mjl-: i hope he brought you a package of some sort (10:25:04) andguent: yeah the shirt (10:25:18) mjl-: i've been awakened by construction guys hammering on the house... (10:25:20) mjl-: cool (10:25:22) andguent: but it doesn't really fit me. which brings me again to the point about hating the world (10:25:24) mjl-: does it fit? (10:25:28) mjl-: bummer :) (10:25:45) andguent: well i wanted to do work out anyways :D (10:25:50) mjl-: time to start on a diet? (10:25:51) mjl-: hehe (10:25:56) andguent: also my new campus is quite away (10:26:02) andguent: so i need to bicycle everday (10:26:07) andguent: might be a good change (10:27:28) andguent: i am a freshman again *sigh* (10:27:40) mjl-: why is that? (10:27:55) andguent: because i changed my subject. and start over again :D (10:28:00) mjl-: ah! (10:28:04) mjl-: what was it before and what is it now? (10:28:44) andguent: before it was philosophy and cognitive science. now it computer science and cognitive science (10:29:57) mjl-: sounds good (10:30:14) mjl-: i found philosophy interesting too, but probably not for too long... (10:30:31) andguent: bummer. the new vaio i wanted to have has astronomic prices ranges. bah...stupid sony...they had the oportunity to do one thing right thi time (10:31:11) mjl-: they always do that (10:31:15) andguent: it is interesting. but it's very hard...you have to do a lot of stuff. so much that i can't have my cognitive stuff and no computer stuff (10:31:19) andguent: and i didn't want that really (10:31:25) mjl-: i guess there are reasons to work much after all (10:32:01) andguent: they want 1500Eur...that is way too..i'll never pay this (10:32:14) andguent: although the specs are intruiging :) (10:32:55) mjl-: get a second-hand one in a few years (10:33:08) mjl-: they will still have the same specs! (10:33:18) andguent: yeah i know (10:33:22) andguent: and i'll probably do (10:33:56) andguent: 11" 780grams 8hour battery (in the default small one), and thinnest yet (10:34:04) andguent: exactly what i want from a laptop (10:34:18) andguent: but i guess for now my x41 will do the job... (10:34:36) mjl-: that really is light (10:34:51) mjl-: the weight is including those 8hours battery? (10:34:56) andguent: it only has atom and crap (10:34:59) andguent: afaik yes (10:35:27) andguent: but frankly...if atom is the cost you have to pay for the weight and thinness...i am more willing to pay it (10:36:03) andguent: for the stuff i am usually doing in university and on trains and stuff is usually okay for atom dimensions (10:36:37) mjl-: is atom really that bad/ (10:37:18) mjl-: i am still happy with my 1.4ghz pentium 4 x40's. works perfectly. until you browse the web of course. the web is cpu intensive... (10:38:22) andguent: the thing is always. if you have another platform that performs much better. the slower one immediately feels inferior (10:38:53) andguent: my current desktop is a core2duo...not exactly a high end machine. but in comparison to a atom or the pentium m of my x41.... (10:39:31) mjl-: well, i have different machines for different things. e.g. different os'es, or different projects (10:39:39) andguent: sure (10:39:47) mjl-: with two identical machines i would go for the fastest too :) (10:40:10) andguent: i wasted a whole day yesterday playing civilization I :-/ (10:40:27) andguent: just installed windows on the x41 for some reasons...and there you go (10:40:28) andguent: bah (10:41:18) mjl-: haha, civ 1, i have good memories about that one (10:41:43) mjl-: i have windows xp on a 1.2ghz pentium m. does feel slow, but it works. slowness is a good incentive not to use it (10:41:55) andguent: i am not really good at civ. but it's addicting never the less :D (10:42:06) andguent: have you tried microxp? (10:42:10) andguent: i can highly recommend it (10:45:10) mjl-: nopes (10:45:16) mjl-: that's a modified windows? (10:45:22) andguent: yeah (10:45:26) mjl-: i found it hard to install a normal windows... (10:45:31) andguent: it starts with just 20m of ram usage or something (10:45:46) andguent: and it boots in 10 secs or so on my x41 (10:45:57) mjl-: had to download an iso from some warez site... microsoft doesn't have downloads for the iso... what use is my license key again? (10:46:00) andguent: also a much lower hdd footprint (10:48:02) uriel: ->#plan9-social ;) (10:48:22) uriel: unless someobdy is writting a civilization clone for inferno ;) (10:48:32) uriel: btw, wtf is the topic about? (10:49:20) andguent: uriel: you are right. i thought about reversing the civ1 binary...but...maybe i got better things to do (10:49:58) uriel: I'm sure somebody has already done teh reverseengineering work already (10:50:16) uriel: er, there is freeciv, no? (10:50:20) andguent: not that i know of (10:50:48) mjl-: yes, there is (10:51:04) mjl-: i've played freeciv on the internet, has a multiplayer mode for that (10:51:10) uriel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeciv (10:51:26) mjl-: but it sucks to play against random people, there is 1 boring optimal tactic (10:51:33) uriel: "Originally developed on IRIX" (10:51:33) uriel: hah (10:51:34) andguent: freeciv is not like civ (10:51:44) andguent: the rulesets are quite different at some spots (10:51:54) uriel: andguent: aha, no clue (10:52:10) uriel: well, but my point is that the reverse engineering was probably done already (10:52:24) andguent: but freeciv has some neat features, the original one is missing (10:53:46) andguent: uriel: you mean in the sense of how the binary actually works. or gameplay mechanics? (10:54:43) uriel: ah, I was thinking regarding the game data, but I have no clue what I'm talking about (10:54:47) uriel: or whatever it would be worth the trouble (10:55:00) uriel: still, some kind of civ-like-game for inferno would be cool (10:55:04) andguent: :) (10:55:05) uriel: specially if it worked well on the DS (10:55:16) andguent: do you have a ds with inferno? (10:58:33) mjl-: imho, simple, short games are nicer to play (10:58:45) mjl-: some day, more games for inferno on the ds! (10:59:25) andguent: i just conquered russia (10:59:32) andguent: muhaha. you can't do that with fast games (11:14:14) mjl-: ok, multi-tracker support is working (11:14:33) mjl-: i think i'm my torrent peer (client isn't the right word) is almost ready for us (11:14:34) mjl-: use* (11:14:59) gualteri [n=salva@crespins.disca.upv.es] entered the room. (11:15:01) mjl-: getting 500k/s down is nice (11:15:05) mjl-: morning gualteri (11:16:31) gualteri: morning mjl (12:03:49) rapidfx left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (12:14:02) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (12:23:12) sswam left the room (quit: "leaving"). (12:31:47) soul9: man i have so many emu threads (12:32:06) soul9: heh (12:32:08) soul9: # ps axuf |grep emu |wc -l (12:32:08) soul9: 175 (12:50:33) rapidfx left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (13:01:37) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (13:13:26) rapidfx left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (13:24:20) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (13:28:29) sswam [n=sswam@CPE-124-176-172-28.lns2.win.bigpond.net.au] entered the room. (13:55:03) roberthahn left the room (quit: ). (14:11:50) uriel: soul9: that is not many really (14:12:17) soul9: no? :D (14:12:34) soul9: i have a feeling though that emu just leaves dead threads around without cleaning up (14:13:06) soul9: i don't understand wtf could use 175 threads, i don't have 175 procs in emu (14:13:45) soul9: i have 39 procs in emu (14:14:30) soul9: also, i think i saw something about this pass along in 9fans/inferno list (15:17:05) eekee: thread leak? (15:17:47) eekee: soul9: if inferno threads can sit idle at all it oculd be a buggy program, no? (15:18:51) eekee: I once had a mono app that would build up to > 250 threads in a day easily. that one had to be restarted daily (15:22:29) mjl-: inferno threads don't always need a host os proc (15:27:59) soul9: yeah, i don't exactly know what's going on, but i see 175 host os threads :) (15:29:14) mjl-: i've got 154 at the moment (15:38:39) soul9: linuks? (15:38:54) soul9: here is linux (15:41:59) mjl-: openbsd (15:47:06) soul9: okey (15:51:40) mjl-: there are 268 now (15:51:43) mjl-: which is fine (15:52:42) mjl-: though the openbsd scheduler gives the combined emu procs all their fair share of the cpu, which leaves little for other programs, which often have a single proc (even threaded ones, openbsd pthreads uses only a signle proc, with a select wrapper) (15:52:50) mjl-: i renice my emu procs now (17:17:07) sswam left the room (quit: "leaving"). (17:44:36) mennis [n=mennis@adsl-068-016-104-079.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] entered the room. (18:33:37) gualteri left the room. (18:46:33) anothy_x: anyone here using inferno on plan9? (18:46:47) mjl-: jups (18:47:14) mjl-: just shut my plan 9 down after it got lots of 'iostate is 2 in blockwrite' fossil errors... (18:47:18) anothy_x: how do you keep it up to date? (18:47:42) mjl-: i've got an old install i think (18:47:50) jimerickson left the room (quit: "kexec call"). (18:47:53) mjl-: but i have hg for plan 9 installed too (18:47:59) mjl-: so i can just pull from the main repo (18:48:33) anothy_x: i guess that's probably the best we can do. i've been avoiding hg on plan9, but i guess it's time to bite the bullet. (18:48:39) mjl-: it was a bit of a pain to install though, long time ago (installing hg. it requires a python or hg binary of 12m or so...) (19:18:22) jimerickson [n=user@75-170-169-33.desm.qwest.net] entered the room. (19:19:41) megaboz left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (21:31:23) rapidfx left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (21:41:12) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (21:52:46) rapidfx left the room (quit: "Leaving."). (22:00:06) mennis left the room (quit: ). (22:26:44) j123m left the room (quit: "Leaving."). (23:14:38) j123m [n=j1m@unas-revda.interra.ru] entered the room. (02:12:22) te left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). 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(11:28:06) robot12 [n=robot12@inferno.kgts.ru] entered the room. (11:45:40) gualteri [n=salva@84.123.158.129.dyn.user.ono.com] entered the room. (12:04:36) j123m left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). (14:07:34) robot12 left the room (quit: "Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)"). (14:59:51) gualteri left the room. (14:59:57) andguent: sorry for asking such a silly question. but. how do i modify acmesac to actually use a user directory in the acme-sac /usr ...i mean i want to use this as my usb-stick kind of thing. and when it puts everything locally. that's pretty useless (15:06:46) mjl-: i bet you can put a `bind' in some startup script (15:06:51) mjl-: or comment out an existing bind (15:06:59) mjl-: haven't used acmesac though, so i don't know (15:07:51) andguent: yeah i have trouble finding the spot where acme-sac starts booting (15:12:18) roberthahn [n=rhahn@64.235.97.218] entered the room. (15:12:38) roberthahn: Good morning (for those of you having one anyway) (15:13:00) roberthahn: I have an Acme question: is there a way I can map my tab key to print 4 spaces? (15:13:25) roberthahn: (different from tabbing the width of 4 spaces) (15:14:27) mjl-: i think plan 9 acme has that feature. perhaps inferno's acme was ported after acme got that. (15:16:08) roberthahn: I'm having a very difficult time finding out how to set up that mapping from Google :P (15:16:36) mjl-: hmm, plan 9 acme has $tabstop, which is just the visible width of a tab (15:16:39) mjl-: i must be mistaken (15:18:17) roberthahn: I'd love to use Acme in the shop; we're doing Python development and agreed to use spaces for indents instead of tabs. I hope there's a way to make this work... (15:18:34) mjl-: well, there is always the source :) (15:18:45) mjl-: perhaps autoindent would be good enough? (15:18:56) andguent: mjl-: which is the open source way of saying: "screw you" ;) (15:19:01) roberthahn: LOL (15:19:30) roberthahn: i prefer to think of it as the open-source way of saying 'retrain your muscle memory' ;) (15:20:31) mjl-: andguent: hehe, traditionally perhaps, but this code is readable! (15:25:51) maht: roberthahn : if you want 4 spaces type four spaces. If you want to indent use tabs. Anything else is a crock of bullshit (15:26:47) roberthahn: maht: no need to get elitist. I can't know *until* I ask what's possible (15:28:27) maht: yea I should have put a :) on the end :) (15:30:48) roberthahn: no worries :) (15:50:15) roberthahn: some of the things i've been reading about suggests that it's possible in inferno to mount an ssh connection as a directory. Am I understanding that correctly? (15:50:27) mjl-: not that i know of (15:50:35) mjl-: oh wait (15:50:46) mjl-: perhaps you mean sshnet (15:50:46) mjl-: that is in plan 9 at least (15:51:03) mjl-: allowing you to use an ssh server's tcp stack through some ssh commands (15:51:13) mjl-: or perhaps you mean sftpfs (15:51:42) mjl-: allowing you to read files from the ssh server using the sftp protocol (which is typically used over ssh) (15:52:12) roberthahn: i'm not sure if the server i want to edit files on has sftp support, but that shouldn't be an issue for me (15:52:30) mjl-: if it is openssh, it probably does sftp too (15:52:37) mjl-: however, the ssh for inferno is not yet finished (15:52:48) roberthahn: oic (15:52:50) mjl-: i plan on continuing on it asap (15:53:10) roberthahn: where can i get more information about sftpfs? (15:53:51) mjl-: http://www.ueber.net/code/r/ssh (15:54:10) mjl-: you can compile, install and try it (15:54:24) mjl-: it should be able to connect, and should also be safe for reading (15:54:47) roberthahn: ok thanks (15:54:53) mjl-: but the ssh connection will stall after using it some time, because a part of the protocol has not been implemented (15:54:59) mjl-: let me know if it works, or if you need help (15:55:56) roberthahn: well, after reading that page, I'm thinking that I don't want to risk using it... (15:56:13) roberthahn: I was trying to use FUSE to mount an sshfs on my host system, then setting up a bind in my profile to access it (15:56:29) roberthahn: only, the bind won't work. interestingly, i can still get in via /n/local/... (15:56:45) mjl-: strange (15:56:47) roberthahn: i just thought i'd ask if there was another way to get at it (15:56:49) mjl-: you're not binding before /n/local is there? (15:57:06) mjl-: sshfs is by far the safest bet right now :) (15:57:49) roberthahn: the line i have is this: (15:58:12) roberthahn: bind -a /usr/rhahn/remote /n/local/path/to/remote (15:58:33) roberthahn: the /usr/rhahn appears to be my home directory in AcmeSAC (15:58:59) mjl-: you want /n/local/path/to/remote to appear on /usr/rhahn/remote, right? (15:59:07) roberthahn: right (15:59:09) mjl-: then the bind arguments have to be the other way around (15:59:16) roberthahn: d'oh! (15:59:20) roberthahn: ok thanks (15:59:31) mjl-: well, try it first :P (16:00:10) roberthahn: it works, thanks mjl- (16:00:14) roberthahn: HTH, meeting (16:00:16) roberthahn: ttyl (16:01:12) mjl-: later! (16:11:16) rapidfx left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). (16:21:07) rapidfx [n=host666@vl-cen-ce1.avtlg.ru] entered the room. (16:29:43) megaboz left the room (quit: robinson.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). 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