Conversation with #inferno at Mon Nov 16 04:28:23 2009 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(20:52:28) mennis: Does anyone know of a wayto obtain the ip address that the /net/ip will be using when a packet is sent out?
(20:56:19) anothy_x: i take it you mean something other than /net/whatever/0/local?
(20:56:46) anothy_x: er, .../n/local.
(21:01:16) mennis: At least on a mac that yeilds empty net address
(21:01:34) mennis: Unless I ma missing something.
(21:01:35) mennis: ; cat local
(21:01:35) mennis: ::!0
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(21:05:42) mennis: Ah that's only the case when the connection is down.
(21:06:25) mennis: Thanks.  Though I was hoping to know what the ip address will be in advance of making a connection.
(21:09:28) anothy_x: i believe (but this is from slightly dated memory) that you can open the ctl file, write the local address, then issue the connect message.
(21:09:49) anothy_x: i'm not sure how to know what it'll pick on its own if you don't specify, though.
(21:10:32) anothy_x: (outside of getting the list of possibilities from /net/ipifc, /net/iproute, or /net/ipselftab and reproducing the IP stack's decision-making process, which would be quite a hack)
(21:11:33) mennis: Yeah it appears there is no /ipX on the mac.
(21:12:19) anothy_x: hrm. right. that might be true for all emu platforms (except plan9). i'd forgotten that.
(21:17:54) mennis: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nano-basics-guide.xml
(21:18:07) mennis: uhh.  Oops.
(21:18:12) uriel: arouch
(21:18:29) uriel: nano makes me want to kick people in the nuts
(21:18:32) anothy_x: nanoo nanoo!
(21:18:58) uriel: I think it was the debian retards that on their install environment they provided nano but no ed!
(21:19:02) uriel: fucking morons
(21:19:12) uriel: (cygwin doesn't install ed by default! way to save disk space!)
(21:20:20) mennis: I think there was a time when gentoo didn't install ed by default.
(21:20:31) uriel: ugh
(21:21:08) mennis: I thought that was odd.
(21:21:27) uriel: seems like a trend in retarded lunix owrld
(21:24:05) mennis: It's too bad.  Understanding a lot about the unix mind set (whatever that is) would be nicely inherited by introducing people to tools like ed then sed then awk in the begining. 
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(22:50:50) maht: "ls" is too good for them, I demand "echo *"
(22:50:56) maht: busybox is too generous
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(00:22:28) andguent: uriel: neither does mingw. i had to install ed to get the golang build going :D
(00:23:47) uriel: how sad :(
(00:24:19) andguent: which is sadly enough in the default installation another item from $PATH !
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