Conversation with #inferno at Fri Mar 9 20:15:26 2012 on powerman-asdf@irc.freenode.net (irc) (20:19:03) perdix [~mkhl@sxemacs/devel/perdix] entered the room. (20:38:22) rogpeppe left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds). (20:47:05) Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] entered the room. (21:22:55) Fish left the room (quit: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5). (21:23:09) Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] entered the room. (21:23:48) Fish- left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds). (21:24:35) Fish left the room (quit: Client Quit). (21:24:42) Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] entered the room. (21:37:28) Fish- [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] entered the room. (21:42:23) Fish- left the room (quit: Read error: Operation timed out). (21:43:05) Fish- [~Fish@exo3753.pck.nerim.net] entered the room. (21:59:27) vpm left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds). (22:06:28) vpm [~vpm@cnx-131.at.franciliens.net] entered the room. (23:07:05) BetterThanUNIX [~dreadlord@c-68-42-82-10.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] entered the room. (00:18:42) Fish left the room (quit: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5). (04:32:23) utroz [~rsc@187.127.64.115] entered the room. (04:32:34) utroz: Hello everyone ;) (04:33:12) leetspete: utroz: Hi. Quiet in here. :P (04:35:18) utroz: leetspete, do you know how to run Inferno OS on qemu ? (04:35:52) utroz: I'm using slackware ;) (04:36:56) leetspete: I've been unable to build a native image (mkfile errors), but no trouble running it hosted. There's an iso from around 2007 here: http://umdrive.memphis.edu/blstuart/htdocs/inf_nat_inst.html (04:37:59) leetspete: utroz: I usually just run it hosted. I'm running Crux, close enough to Slackware that it should be okay if you try. (04:38:17) utroz: ok, thanks (04:40:36) leetspete: No problem! Let me know if you have troubles. I'd be glad for more noise in here. :) (04:43:57) utroz: leetspete, sorry to ask, ... is inferno project active? .. or is it stopped ? (04:45:05) utroz: sorry for my bad english. I'm from Brazil ;) (04:45:42) utroz: but I'm very curious to learn a little about the Inferno OS. I guess it's very nice ;) (04:46:10) leetspete: It's active, for certain. Most of the changes happen when something is broken, it seems. (04:47:04) leetspete: No need to apologize for bad English. :) I've actually started playing with it somewhat recently too. (04:47:23) utroz: where are you from ? (04:47:58) leetspete: Los Angeles. (04:48:13) utroz: are you native, right ? (04:48:22) utroz: you're native* (04:48:32) leetspete: Yep, born and raised. :) (04:49:22) utroz: I hate Brazil ;).. I wait to learn your native language as fast as possible and live at your country ;) (04:49:37) utroz: I would like better saying .. (04:50:52) utroz: Really is very bad.. A great project was forget by most of people, sure ? (04:50:54) leetspete: Well, if you're a programmer, a visa should be possible. I think about 20-30% of the employees at my last company were immigrants. (04:51:16) utroz: I'm a programmer ;) (04:51:52) leetspete: I'd like Inferno to catch on. (04:52:13) leetspete: I'm planning on spending some time filling in howto articles on my blog. (04:52:51) utroz: Can I help you ? (04:53:01) utroz: I would like to spending some time learning about Inferno too (04:53:06) leetspete: Sure. (04:53:59) leetspete: Right now, trying to figure out how to set up an auth server (every computer in my house has hosted Inferno installed...such a waste if I can't build a grid!), (04:54:32) leetspete: Learn some more Tk so I can figure out sh-tk (there are not many examples or documents, but plenty on Limbo's Tk module), (04:54:57) utroz: hum, sure.. (04:55:22) utroz: How long have you been a programmer ? (04:55:24) leetspete: I recommend trying out some of the software MJL wrote: http://ueber.net/code/ (04:56:23) leetspete: He has a different shell and window manager. The default wm/wm is okay, but I don't have a three-button mouse on my laptop, so qwm and wmrun are a little nicer. (04:56:55) utroz: hehe (04:56:56) leetspete: How long have I been programming...I started QBASIC about 16 years ago, I guess, moved to Linux and C in the late 90s. (04:57:25) utroz: OMG, you're a expert programming computer, hehe (04:57:31) utroz: an* (04:57:46) leetspete: haha, well, if I was an expert I'd probably be doing more Inferno and Plan 9. :P (04:58:33) utroz: I love programming around operating systems, too. (04:58:50) utroz: Do you contribute to Linux kernel ? (04:59:14) leetspete: For the kernel, I'm just a user. (04:59:42) leetspete: My day job is Ruby so I don't get to do very much interesting stuff at work. (05:00:09) leetspete: Have you checked out the mailing list? (05:00:12) utroz: is ruby good ? (05:01:12) leetspete: The language itself is nice. The entire ecosystem has become a wasteland since Rails arrived, though. (05:01:40) utroz: the famous ruby on rails, hehe (05:01:58) leetspete: ha it's basically the opposite of simplicity. (05:02:46) leetspete: It feels more like writing PHP than writing Ruby. (05:03:07) utroz: I'm only programming in C and Python languages ;) (05:03:47) utroz: is ruby a general-purpose language? (05:04:03) leetspete: It's actually really similar to Python, except in syntax. (05:04:04) utroz: or is it used to specific cases ? (05:04:17) utroz: hum, right =) (05:04:33) leetspete: And the community is very different. (05:05:17) leetspete: I'm slowly building up a list of links to Inferno documentation. :) (05:06:29) utroz: When you finish, send me the links =) (05:06:33) leetspete: There's actually a Ruby to Python compiler: https://github.com/whymirror/unholy (05:07:58) leetspete: Well, to start, MJL has a good guide to getting started: http://www.ueber.net/who/mjl/inferno/getting-started.html (05:08:20) utroz: I'll see it ;) (05:08:35) leetspete: There's some good intruductory documentation here: http://www.resc.rdg.ac.uk/twiki/bin/view/Resc/VitaNuovaInferno (05:09:43) utroz: do you know something about assembly language ? (05:10:41) utroz: I would like to become member of this community because I really need to improve my english write skills =( (05:11:15) leetspete: Yeah, I've done some ARM, x86, x86-64, PIC, AVR. Very rusty, though. (05:11:40) utroz: In some times I would like to answer you a better form, but I haven't a good vocabulary ;) (05:12:20) utroz: I can read and listen very well, but I don't training my write skills... (05:13:31) utroz: leetspete, I'm learning something about assembly x86 ;) (05:14:16) leetspete: x86 is so complex, haha. It's worth learning while it's still the dominant platform, though. (05:14:17) utroz: I started with intel syntax, but right now I'm learning at&t (05:14:33) utroz: leetspete, exactly (05:15:02) utroz: leetspete, do you know Eric S.Raymond ? (05:15:29) leetspete: I've read some of the stuff he wrote, sure. (05:16:05) utroz: I'm a admirer around his works ;) (05:16:52) utroz: Why everyone in this channel is away ? (05:16:58) utroz: this is bad ;( (05:17:26) leetspete: Haha, I am not sure. There's a little more activity on the mailing list, but not a lot. (05:18:59) utroz: is possible to install an irc client in the inferno ? (05:22:20) leetspete: The ueber.net link above had an ircfs program; I've not tried it yet. (05:23:06) utroz: I'll help my mom, I come back later... thanks so much for help me ;) (05:23:45) leetspete: No problem. I'm glad there's more Inferno use going on. :) (05:25:08) utroz: my friend i__ is a old user, I'll speak him to come here =) (05:34:03) vsrinivas: i like x86 :) (07:55:52) BetterThanUNIX left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 252 seconds). (10:22:45) octetta [4cf63a4d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.246.58.77] entered the room. (10:23:06) Fish [~Fish@9fans.fr] entered the room. (10:26:34) octetta left the room (quit: Client Quit). (10:41:52) utroz left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (11:49:49) Fish left the room (quit: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5). (12:35:25) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will be automatically rejoined in the chat when the account reconnects.