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(20:55:03) Aram left the room (quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). (23:49:28) yshurik left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (04:42:32) acmeuser [~acmeuser@187.112.161.151] entered the room. (04:42:32) acmeuser left the room. (05:43:03) raphaelsc left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (06:36:02) powerman-asdf: is it possible to import everything from module without writing name of each imported var/func/const? (06:52:58) powerman-asdf: I suppose no, because things like PATH and init() will conflict in nearly any module (07:10:14) vsrinivas: no, don't believe so; (07:35:21) Gegemon [~ynv@mx1.airis.ru] entered the room. (10:15:19) yshurik [~Adium@193.69.63.210] entered the room. (10:18:06) `jpi left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (10:25:20) `jpi [~jpi@unaffiliated/pseud0cod3r] entered the room. (10:56:26) vpm left the room (quit: Read error: Operation timed out). (10:56:33) vpm [~vpm@blumenthal.vrinimi.int.eu.org] entered the room. (12:55:42) powerman-asdf: I believe this happens when few months ago Inferno replaced clone() with pthreads - in `ps` output all emu-g processes are marked and have "Zsl" status: (12:55:42) powerman-asdf: 4445 ? Zsl 35:16 [emu-g] (12:56:19) powerman-asdf: I suppose that's ok because everything works just fine, but I wonder why it looks so strange? (12:57:58) powerman-asdf: Z defunct ("zombie") process, terminated but not reaped by its parent. (12:57:58) powerman-asdf: s is a session leader (12:57:58) powerman-asdf: l is multi-threaded (using CLONE_THREAD, like NPTL pthreads do) (13:01:02) powerman-asdf: `ps axm` show threads, and looks like this happens because first thread of each emu-g has status Zsl, while all other threads of same process has status Ssl (13:02:03) powerman-asdf: looks like ps by default show info about first thread, which is happened to be zombie in Inferno, so overall Inferno looks like zombie :) (13:03:08) powerman-asdf: alive zombie. hmm. I wonder is this intentional, sort of joke by Charles? :) (14:03:47) Aram [~aram@unaffiliated/aramdune] entered the room. (15:32:33) Gegemon left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (16:13:43) yshurik left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (16:24:35) powerman-asdf: how to bind key using tk? (16:25:11) powerman-asdf: "bind .e.input {send key %K}" send all keys _including_ Tab (16:25:37) powerman-asdf: but or doesn't work at all (17:01:06) yshurik [~Adium@223.65.202.84.customer.cdi.no] entered the room. (17:47:00) yshurik left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (18:11:26) leetspete: powerman-asdf: emu-g and emu do that. It confused me for a while. (18:27:19) raphaelsc [~raphaelsc@189-105-182-206.user.veloxzone.com.br] entered the room. (18:33:16) leetspete: powerman-asdf: Looks like it *is* supposed to be Tab. (19:16:22) yshurik [~Adium@223.65.202.84.customer.cdi.no] entered the room. (20:38:32) yshurik left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). 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(13:05:19) C-Keen: cat-v.org is down (13:43:56) Aram left the room (quit: Quit: .). (13:45:15) Aram [~aram@unaffiliated/aramdune] entered the room. (13:46:53) Aram left the room (quit: Client Quit). (13:48:11) Aram [~aram@unaffiliated/aramdune] entered the room. (14:47:17) Gegemon left the room (quit: Read error: Operation timed out). (14:56:36) powerman-asdf: btw, cat-v.org will expire in about a year, and I'm not sure someone will be able to pay for it. so it makes sense to at least mirror it somewhere (14:57:22) Aram: it's all taken care of. (14:58:11) Aram: I find it unfortunate that sl moved it from linode to a 9front box though. (14:59:04) Aram: cat-v mirrored bell labs because bell labs was down all the time, but now cat-v.org is very very very slow and probably down just as often as bell labs. (15:21:20) Gegemon [~ynv@mx1.airis.ru] entered the room. (15:53:34) Gegemon left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). 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(03:51:29) leetspete: powerman-asdf: /appl/charon/chutils.b uses translate(2) (see the bottom of the file, X(string,string):string). Is that what you were looking for? (03:51:50) powerman-asdf: leetspete: thanks, I'll check it now (03:59:26) powerman-asdf: leetspete: yes, I was looking for something like this (04:01:14) leetspete: Cool. (04:34:33) raphaelsc: leetspete: Hi :) (04:34:51) raphaelsc: My kernel already supports page size extension hehe (04:36:07) leetspete: raphaelsc: Cool! Coming along nicely it seems! (04:38:24) raphaelsc: Yeah, It has been an enjoyable challenge so far :) (04:38:45) raphaelsc: Though I got many headaches hehe (04:39:38) raphaelsc: It's not too difficult to create a kernel, though it's difficult to create a good kernel. hehe (04:40:48) raphaelsc: Which provides a good device model, stable file system, good memory management, portability, concurrency, among other things. (04:41:58) raphaelsc: leetspete: Is possible to get a job working on Inferno Os? (04:42:02) leetspete: Yep. :) (04:42:56) raphaelsc: I would like to join free software as soon as possible in order to get a job in this field. (04:43:05) raphaelsc: Making contributions, etc. (05:08:00) anth_i [~anth@217.sub-174-252-209.myvzw.com] entered the room. (05:16:26) anth_i left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds). (05:41:57) anth_i [~anth@217.sub-174-252-209.myvzw.com] entered the room. (06:08:50) anth_i left the room (quit: Quit: anth_i). (07:24:28) jbrhee left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (07:55:58) jbrhee [~jess@cpe-76-174-171-57.socal.res.rr.com] entered the room. (10:13:07) raphaelsc left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds). (10:17:11) `jpi left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 260 seconds). (10:21:56) `jpi [~jpi@unaffiliated/pseud0cod3r] entered the room. (10:45:06) vsrinivas left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (10:45:21) vsrinivas [~me@ec2-50-112-52-254.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] entered the room. 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(17:37:57) powerman-asdf: if I rewrite it in this way: (17:37:58) powerman-asdf: target := d.target; damage = target.hit(damage); (17:38:03) powerman-asdf: the warning goes away (17:57:02) dreadlorde left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 255 seconds). (18:11:20) powerman-asdf: ok, I got it. hit() doesn't had "this:self …" param, that's why it was "ignored" (18:12:37) powerman-asdf: but limbo probably should output same warning in both cases, isn't it? (18:15:04) anth_r: i'd expect so. (18:42:10) yshurik [~Adium@223.65.202.84.customer.cdi.no] entered the room. (20:24:47) Guest2621 [~rog@host-92-23-112-169.as13285.net] entered the room. (20:51:01) yshurik left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (21:17:46) Guest2621 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds). (21:36:54) raphaelsc [~raphaelsc@187-127-79-19.user.veloxzone.com.br] entered the room. (21:47:44) yshurik [~Adium@223.65.202.84.customer.cdi.no] entered the room. (21:48:56) yshurik left the room (quit: Client Quit). 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(16:34:52) powerman-asdf: so it doesn't looks like solution to my issue… :( (16:35:58) powerman-asdf: I'm trying to implement text old-style rpg in limbo, I don't need cryptography, just good enough and fast prng. (16:39:03) anth_x left the room (quit: Quit: Leaving.). (17:06:35) `jpi: ahh (17:06:54) `jpi: but mind you /dev/random and stuff has to be cryptographically secure (17:07:46) `jpi: you might use just rand() (18:12:29) The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects.