Conversation with #inferno at Wed May 15 17:04:39 2013 on powerman@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(18:34:10) grlpx: os.c:147:39: error: ?CLONE_VM? undeclared (first use in this function)
(18:34:24) grlpx: it's not defined anywhere
(18:34:36) grlpx: ../inferno-20100120.tgz
(18:35:35) Aram: hg pull -u
(18:37:30) grlpx: ok
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(03:09:02) leetspete1: So, let's say I've got a shell script that uses memfs, file2chan, etc.  Some of those tend to hang around after it goes away.
(03:09:40) leetspete1: They seem to persist after the script goes away, which makes some sense, but in this case I want them to stop.
(03:10:01) leetspete1: My current solution is to end it with "sh -c 'sleep 1;kill -g ${pid}'&"
(03:10:11) leetspete1: Feels a little less than clean. ☺
(03:10:55) leetspete1: It's preferable to leaking processes, thought.  Anyone have a better idea?
(03:11:29) leetspete1: Or, well, I guess I could do it with a block rather than sh -c, but the idea would be the same.
(03:11:29) raphaelsc_: leetspete: hi :)
(03:11:31) raphaelsc_: utroz here
(03:11:37) leetspete1: raphaelsc_: How's it going?
(03:11:43) raphaelsc_: pretty fine how about u?
(03:12:12) leetspete1: Not bad.  Writing shell scripts in a good shell, so I'm in a good mood, haha.
(03:12:14) raphaelsc_: leetspete1: i was studying Linux kernel 2 months ago, and now I'm back.... btw, I got around 3 patches into Linux mainline
(03:12:44) leetspete1: Nice.  You should try hacking on the Inferno kernel a little. ☺
(03:13:00) raphaelsc_: leetspete: well, i was doing some shell exercises few minutes ago, such as implementing support for I/O redirection and pipeline.
(03:13:22) leetspete1: Cool!
(03:13:56) raphaelsc_: i don't feel too confident for doing that yet, though i'm coursing the MIT 6828 OS course.
(03:14:06) raphaelsc_: after doing it, it would be a pleasure to hack on Inferno :)
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(03:15:03) leetspete1: I'd submit my Inferno stuff upstream, but I don't think CHF would be as interested in SDL nonsense, haha.
(03:16:24) leetspete1: Does 6828 use xv6?
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(03:33:38) qrstuv: i don't know why you'd think he wouldn't be interested
(03:33:43) qrstuv: i think it's neat
(03:35:30) leetspete1: qrstuv: Thanks!  I don't know about adding a dependency, plus he made a cryptic remark some time back on the ML about reworking all of that.
(03:35:49) leetspete1: The display stuff, etc.
(03:35:57) powerman: leetspete1: memfs, file2chan - these things sounds like environment setup. such task usually done once before running main app. so maybe you should split your script in two parts?
(03:39:08) leetspete1: powerman: It's for transient data and internal coordination, just a couple of places where envvars don't work.
(03:40:53) powerman: leetspete1: I mean, if you need to run some task periodically, then instead of setup environment/run task/cleanup you can setup environment once and then run that task periodically in prepared environment without needs to cleanup at all
(03:42:54) powerman: if you can't isolate that task and need to run it from another one (for example) consider exporting that prepared environment and then mounting/unmounting it around executing that task
(03:42:54) leetspete1: powerman: It's the middle of a pipeline; not much use before or after the script runs.
(03:44:10) leetspete1: If I ought to set it up beforehand, I don't know how that'd look otherwise.
(03:46:27) leetspete1: I'm not ruling out that I'm doing this completely wrong, but I can't think of a better way to do it.  This is all stuff for the script's internal state.
(03:46:34) powerman: as for SDL and extra dependencies for inferno kernel - you can distribute is like http://code.google.com/p/inferno-re2/ which is also add extra deps and try to do this is way compatible with other similar packages
(03:47:58) powerman: leetspete1: maybe you're doing completely right, just not in infernish way :)
(03:48:58) leetspete1: powerman: I've put that up on bitbucket, just added a new configuration for emu the same way emu-g worked.
(03:50:35) powerman: if you doesn't need to patch existing files to add sdl support then it's cool and you're lucky
(03:52:08) leetspete1: Yeah, I just added win-sdl.c, patterned loosely on win-x11a.c:  https://bitbucket.org/1337p337/inferno-os/src/c8aff1ce1dd070ca8a37ae7659f2852d6770b1f4/emu/port/win-sdl.c?at=default
(03:52:15) leetspete1: Man, that's a horror of a URL. :P
(03:53:00) leetspete1: It's got two bugs still, but I'm using it on one of my machines that doesn't have X.
(03:54:10) leetspete1: I've been hoping someone with a Mac could test it out, because I don't have one any more.
(03:54:22) leetspete1: But I don't think you'd have a Mac. ☺
(03:55:48) powerman: I've used MacOS in VMware for that, but it's about 1.5 year since VMware/VirtualBox support is broken on 64-bit Hardened Gentoo :( So I've moved to qemu/kvm which doesn't able to run modern MacOS yet.
(04:00:02) leetspete1: I think it might be easier than to follow OSX's changes.
(04:00:07) leetspete1: Is it still broken on OSX?
(04:03:04) leetspete1: Oh, hey, I just pulled and my patch is in there!  ☺
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(21:24:59) fosap2: I have compiled inferno on a rasberry pi. (it was suprisingly slow). 
(21:26:06) fosap2: But it seems that either the color depth or the arm target have a do cause a mem allocation error.
(21:27:30) fosap2: Charon always crashes. Sometimes it kills inferno, sometimes it does not. If it does not (which i can't reproduce right now) It says the error is in image.
(21:28:24) fosap2: But the emulator itself seems to have not only the issue 101 from the google tracker, but some other bug.
(21:28:55) fosap2: I think i just does not allocate enough memory for the framebuffer, but that's just a guess. 
(21:29:08) fosap2: pastebin.ca/2383969
(21:29:37) fosap2: Does it work for anyone on a rasberrypi? 
(21:41:28) leetspete1: fosap2: I believe the problems are due to FP in ARM.
(21:45:27) leetspete1: There are also some issues with the host OS libs (expectation of being in ARM mode or Thumb mode varies across libc's?), but unrelated unless you turn on JIT.
(21:47:39) leetspete1: fosap2: But check out /appl/charon/mkfile.  Specifically, "limbo $LIMBOFLAGS -c -gw img.b".
(21:49:02) leetspete1: That's the source of your segfaults.
(21:59:58) fosap2: that computer is suprisingly slow... building charon tneed at last 5 minutes
(22:00:32) leetspete1: You took out the -c flag?
(22:00:35) fosap2: can't i isable the jit with /dev/jit or -c0 for emu?
(22:00:37) leetspete1: That's what made it work for me.
(22:00:42) fosap2: yes, replace it with -C
(22:01:18) leetspete1: Yeah...I never quite got why JIT ought to be forced on or off.
(22:01:26) leetspete1: But that's what made Charon work for me.
(22:04:13) leetspete1: I mean, for Limbo.  -c0 and -c1 make plenty of sense for the run-time.
(22:05:42) fosap2: yes, it does work :)
(22:06:53) fosap2: Kind of "Address familiy not supported by protocol (/net/tcp/clone)"
(22:07:23) fosap2: but now I'm sure it's not the graphics output
(22:08:49) leetspete1: ndb/cs;ndb/dns
(22:09:29) fosap2: nope, that does not help.
(22:09:43) leetspete1: You've got to start it up before charon.
(22:09:59) leetspete1: And then start charon from a child of that shell
(22:10:19) fosap2: Yes, i did that.
(22:10:33) leetspete1: Hm.
(22:11:43) fosap2: Well, that's not such a big deal. I didn't plan to use network anyway; I can try to fix that later.
(22:11:44) leetspete1: So, running it before running wm/wm is usually what I do, but that error indicates that CS isn't running.
(22:13:03) leetspete1: It's working for me on ARM, at least.
(22:14:08) fosap2: with Linux as host i guess?
(22:14:21) fosap2: or plan9?
(22:15:30) leetspete1: Oh, that might be the issue; I'm using a Linux host.
(22:15:59) leetspete1: On Plan 9, you would just do bind -bc '#U*/net' /net.
(22:16:33) fosap2: I'm aswell. I'm a plan9/inferno beginner, so i wanted with a hosted os
(22:17:05) leetspete1: ☺
(22:17:27) leetspete1: My ARM boxes are Efika, no one has ported Plan 9 or native Inferno to them yet.
(23:15:07) fosap2: Right now I'm reimplementing the bitblip function. for 32 bit displays. It's disturbed but it displays something and does not segfault
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