Conversation with #inferno at Sat Feb 15 13:38:55 2014 on powerman@chat.freenode.net (irc)
(13:38:55) #inferno: Topic for #inferno set by mennis at 17:30:16 on 12/28/09
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(03:29:50) trenatos: Anyone around who speaks limbo?
(03:30:59) trenatos: /nickserv identify 2290450680
(03:31:00) trenatos: /j #Psion_Guild
(03:31:07) trenatos: Well crap
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(03:59:54) leetspete1: trenatos: Yeahap.
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(04:00:22) leetspete1: Also ooooh, busted.
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(04:01:16) trenatos: lol, it's a whole other network and I've already change the info  :P
(04:01:27) trenatos: You have a minute?
(04:02:20) trenatos: I tried out a couple of Hello World examples in Limbo, but for whatever reason there's no output
(04:02:53) leetspete1: I got a minute, sure.
(04:03:06) leetspete1: Have a paste of the example?
(04:03:31) trenatos: Gimme a sec to find the link (Assuming I can't copy text from within Inferno gui to the host clipboard)
(04:04:01) leetspete1: You totally can.
(04:04:28) trenatos: How?
(04:05:03) leetspete1: There's no explicit sync, that's handled by /dev/snarf.
(04:05:23) leetspete1: So, 'echo asdf > /dev/snarf' ought to put it into your clipboard on the host OS.
(04:06:11) leetspete1: When you're running a graphical environment, anything copied and pasted goes through there, and the driver that provides it for your OS will sync it automatically.
(04:06:46) trenatos: How would I echo the contents of a file?
(04:06:48) leetspete1: (So you can do fun stuff like sync clipboards between machines.)
(04:06:55) leetspete1: cat(1).
(04:07:06) leetspete1: cat file.b >/dev/snarf
(04:07:42) trenatos: There we go, that worked, thanks  :D
(04:07:43) trenatos: implement Hello;
(04:07:44) trenatos: include "sys.m";
(04:07:44) trenatos:  sys: Sys;
(04:07:44) trenatos: include "draw.m";
(04:07:44) trenatos: Hello: module
(04:07:45) trenatos: {
(04:07:45) trenatos:  init: fn(ctxt: ref Draw->Context, args: list of string);
(04:07:46) trenatos: };
(04:07:46) trenatos: init(ctxt: ref Draw->Context, args: list of string)
(04:07:47) trenatos: {
(04:08:10) leetspete1: Oh, that's not gonna work so well.
(04:08:26) leetspete1: I meant, like, pastebin or okturing or gist.
(04:08:28) leetspete1: ☺
(04:08:44) trenatos: You're getting weird chars?
(04:08:54) leetspete1: It got truncated at the beginning of your init function.
(04:09:14) trenatos: http://pastebin.com/en6ENZMb
(04:10:13) leetspete1: Yep, that ought to work.  And then 'limbo -gw hello.b && ./hello', right?
(04:10:53) trenatos: That wasn't what I used before, one sec
(04:12:07) trenatos: I'm getting an error with that, argument not referenced for both ctxt and args
(04:12:36) leetspete1: Yeah, that's a warning.  You can fix that warning by changing the ctxt and args to nil, but it's not critical.
(04:12:42) trenatos: Ok
(04:13:00) leetspete1: In general if you're not going to use the context or the args, you'll want to do that.
(04:13:27) trenatos: *nods
(04:13:50) trenatos: Now it output the Hello World in console
(04:13:53) trenatos: As expected
(04:14:03) trenatos: Must have been something wrong with my compile command
(04:14:18) trenatos: However, test.dis outputs nothing, just as before
(04:15:01) leetspete1: Hm.  What's in test.b?
(04:16:31) trenatos: That's the file
(04:17:08) trenatos: test.b is the file in the pastebin
(04:17:46) leetspete1: Oh, oh, haha.  You're going to laugh.
(04:18:03) leetspete1: lc /dis/test.dis
(04:18:53) trenatos: From console, all that did was create a new blank line (Without the % )
(04:19:37) trenatos: Wait, tried again, it just spat out "test.dis" on a new line
(04:20:05) leetspete1: Yes.  Since the shell looks in /dis before it looks in ./, you were running *that* test.dis.
(04:20:36) trenatos: hum, ok
(04:20:54) trenatos: So how would I run the test.dis file from the current directory?
(04:21:40) leetspete1: ./test
(04:22:09) trenatos: progress!
(04:22:10) trenatos: :P
(04:22:16) leetspete1: heh
(04:22:37) trenatos: Two small more things?
(04:22:45) leetspete1: Go for it.
(04:23:03) trenatos: Ok, the compiler line, I'm assuming it compiles, and then runs the compiled program, correct?
(04:23:18) leetspete1: Yeah.
(04:23:25) trenatos: Allright, one down. lol
(04:23:45) trenatos: How do I make a new file from within Acme.. I've been fighting with this for hours. Not kidding.
(04:24:02) trenatos: The other day I succeeded in creating the test.b file, but I can't remember how. It was pure luck.
(04:25:08) leetspete1: Oh, no worries.  So, you execute 'New'.  If you give it an argument (e.g., by executing 'New something.b') then it will open a window nmed that (whether there's a pre-existing file or not).
(04:25:48) leetspete1: If you execute New without an argument, you can name it by just editing the text at the beginning of the tag bar.  (Right before " Del".)
(04:27:08) trenatos: That explanation alone just saved my sanity
(04:27:10) trenatos: Thank you
(04:27:31) trenatos: Still trying to get used to Inferno. I love the idea of it, but only if I can code on it :P
(04:27:56) leetspete1: No worries, I don't mind being helpful.
(04:28:25) leetspete1: It took me a while to get used to it, too, but I haven't gone back to vim since.
(04:28:42) qrstuv: you're lucky he's here. i'm not too keen on being helpful
(04:28:47) trenatos: If I ever reach the point of proficiency I'll make some tutorial videos. The "learning curve" feels IMMENSE at this point, even for simple things like making files
(04:29:00) trenatos: Ah, hi qrstuv, yes I got that feeling the other day
(04:29:35) qrstuv: there's several tutorial videos already
(04:30:11) trenatos: I found one in Spanish, and one with horrible audio (Though in English)
(04:31:39) leetspete1: I think you might prefer this one:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M
(04:31:48) leetspete1: Maybe that's the one with horrible audio.
(04:32:27) leetspete1: It covers acme in general, although not Inferno specifically.
(04:34:23) trenatos: That's the one with horrible audio, I only had time to watch about a minute of that the other day
(04:35:36) leetspete1: Yeah.  The man page is pretty useful once you understand a little bit about it.
(04:36:21) trenatos: I'll be spending time with the man pages, but they're not useful until I can at least navigate around, create files, compile limbo files and such
(04:36:53) leetspete1: Yeah, it's good as a reference, not so much a tutorial.
(04:36:59) trenatos: There are a number of papers and research info written about Inferno, but very little (That I've found) about getting started
(04:39:18) leetspete1: Yeah, that's why I horded links and started writing some about it.
(04:39:40) leetspete1: Because I spent some time totally lost until I started getting it.
(04:40:44) leetspete1: I embedded a little acme demo in the VNC thing I did.
(04:41:20) trenatos: VNC thing you did?
(04:42:08) leetspete1: A duct-taped hack that spawns Inferno when you point a VNC viewer at it.
(04:42:46) leetspete1: If you point a VNC viewer at debu.gs port 60666, it gives you an Inferno VM, pops acme up, and uses that to explain everything.
(04:43:11) trenatos: That's nice
(04:43:28) trenatos: Any chance you wrote up an article on how you did that?
(04:44:13) leetspete1: I wrote a bit about it:  http://debu.gs/entries/try-inferno-without-installing-it
(04:47:44) trenatos: You mention Go, does Go work on Inferno? (I was thinking of learning it already, and if it runs on Inferno that's an added plus)
(04:48:53) leetspete1: It does not; I think a port of it would be tricky.  It's pretty similar to Limbo, but you probably knew that (or guessed it since the same people are responsible).
(04:51:11) trenatos: I'd heard it was sort-of-similar, but if I get up and running with Inferno/Limbo I don't actually *need* Go
(04:54:00) trenatos: What does the -gw tags do?
(04:54:28) leetspete1: -g includes debugging symbols (which I guess we don't need in this case) and -w has it spit out warnings.
(04:54:46) trenatos: Ah, ok
(05:09:52) mortdeus: for go to run on inferno it would need to have a go->dis bytecode compiler. 
(05:14:30) leetspete1: Yeah, the module system would also probably not be able to work the same way.
(05:17:23) mortdeus: im actually working on a go based plan9/inferno derived toolchain at the moment. 
(05:19:07) trenatos: Nice
(05:19:35) trenatos: How would I copy code from host into Inferno gui?
(05:24:22) leetspete1: It's the same.
(05:24:59) leetspete1: If you copy in Inferno or in the host OS, it gets sync'd.
(05:25:35) trenatos: It did not synch (Not with mouse 1 + 3 anyway)
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(05:27:10) trenatos: But it does synch, console spits out the synched text when I do cat /dev/snarf
(05:27:21) trenatos: Just not into Acmes pasting
(05:29:47) leetspete1: Eh?  That's odd.  I think either Windows or OSX had some issues with pasting lately, but I forget which one or if it was fixed.
(05:30:11) trenatos: I'm on Windows
(05:30:29) trenatos: Yeah it seems Acme keeps its own copy/paste log
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(06:34:21) joedan: anyone here know if the gpl2 work recently done for plan9 is also happening with inferno?
(06:34:37) leetspete1: joedan: Inferno's already GPL.
(06:35:44) leetspete1: Check out /NOTICE.
(06:36:13) joedan: leetspete1: really? whoops. ronm mentioned inferno code being ised in akaros so i thought there must have been something there.
(06:38:27) joedan: leetspete1: wow... that's been there for a while. i never notices although since me and inferno only have a on-and-off relationship, i probably just forgot.
(06:39:43) joedan: anybody here doing any cool work with inferno?
(06:42:58) leetspete1: I've been slacking since November.  :P  Had a lot of work.
(06:45:27) leetspete1: Might be doing some stuff trying to get it running on the Parallella soon, though, which I think would qualify as cool work.
(06:46:23) joedan: leetspete1: cool. i picked up a couple of XMOS boards but have more work than time so they'll sit unused for a while.
(06:50:34) leetspete1: More work than time.  Man.  I know how that is.
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(08:20:00) trenatos: Is there an Inferno equivalent to cls/clear?
(09:01:30) leetspete1: Not really.  You can scroll down until only the last line is visible, or you can highlight it all and hit backspace.
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(09:05:15) trenatos: Allright
(09:11:08) leetspete1: I don't expect it would be too hard to tweak the wm/sh to do it, I just never really needed it.
(09:28:15) trenatos: Time to call it a night, thanks for the help leetspete1
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(17:12:56) anth_x: hello.
(17:13:07) anth_x: …except you're gone. oh, well.
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