Conversation with #inferno at Thu May 10 09:35:56 2018 on powerman@chat.freenode.net (irc)
(09:35:56) #inferno: Topic for #inferno set by anth at 19:45:51 on 04/07/15
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(17:50:43) dansimon: Hi guys, has anyone got an old inferno/plan9 box set from vitanouva they are interested in selling..?
(18:15:12) qweo: On that note, is anyone interested in porting Inferno native to something?
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(20:10:55) qrstuv: no
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(20:47:13) qweo: Any particular reason not to? Besides the amount of work, that is.
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(21:12:35) qrstuv: it's pointless
(21:14:11) qweo: Reducing attack surface is not pointless, but I see what you mean
(21:21:19) hiro: it's not pointless
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(23:14:05) ***david_boddie has been reading at the logs on powerman's site again. :-)
(23:14:30) david_boddie: I was looking at trying to port Inferno to an old ARM-based laptop.
(23:28:01) qweo: How hard do you reckon it'd be, effort-wise?
(23:32:13) david_boddie: The hardware (Genesi Efika MX Smartbook) already has U-Boot, Linux and FreeBSD running on it, so the hardware is understood.
(23:32:35) qweo: I remember that one
(23:32:52) david_boddie: But for me it's a bit more difficult because I'm not a low-level hardware hacker type. :-)
(23:33:08) david_boddie: Just trying to reuse bits of code from U-Boot.
(23:33:16) qweo: It's hard to get your hands on though...
(23:34:19) david_boddie: Depends where you are. There was a company in the UK selling them off, but I see that they're out of stock there now.
(23:34:58) qweo: Too bad Genesi makes neither those nor original Efikas anymore
(23:36:30) david_boddie: Yes, all that effort to produce. It would be nice if someone could pick up production of the cases at least.
(23:37:04) qweo: Cases are easy to make now, thanks to 3D printing
(23:37:57) david_boddie: I'm trying to learn from the Raspberry Pi port of Inferno. At some point I might think about getting Inferno on OMAP3 using the 9front code, but i.MX could be more interesting.
(23:39:32) qweo: Allwiner 20 is even more widespread, and especially interesting since the first EOMA68 is based on it, so no shortage of laptops if people would want them
(23:40:24) david_boddie: I'm still waiting for my EOMA68. :-) I was thinking about getting a head start on porting Inferno last year but real life got in the way.
(23:41:46) qweo: Speaking of cool devices, you know about the recently announced cheaper Talos model?
(23:42:14) david_boddie: Is that a POWER system? I must take a look at that again.
(23:43:42) qweo: Yeah. It was expensive as hell, the new one is much more affordable. Single-processor and with less PCI Express lanes though, if you're into HPC or redundancy :-)
(23:47:43) david_boddie: Which one is the more affordable one? The Basic Talos II Bundle (Single CPU)?
(23:49:31) qweo: Talos™ II Lite
(23:50:23) qweo: The motherboard would be dual-CPU (and with all the PCI-E slots) despite only one processor in the bundle
(23:52:51) david_boddie: It's interesting but a bit expensive for me. I'd also like to see what RISC-V hardware is on the way.
(23:53:47) qweo: I've got to handle a HiFive Unleashed recently, if not for long
(23:54:13) qweo: Still enough to run "time openssl enc" on it :-)
(23:57:01) qweo: Also a couple of Elbrus-2000s and a Baikal and a Loongson 3. Cool stuff
(23:57:43) david_boddie: I wonder if the qc compiler in Inferno is useful for generating code for the Talos systems. Anyone know?
(23:58:32) qweo: There's #Talos-workstation
(23:59:19) qweo: I don't think IBM *really* broke compatibility, but IDK for sure
(00:01:47) david_boddie: I don't know enough about the architecture to be able to spot any problems. I have enough trouble with ARM and I used to know how to code for that. :-)
(00:02:47) qweo: Is ARM64 assembly really distinct from the 32-bit one?
(00:04:24) david_boddie: I guess so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#AArch64
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